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Rob Philpott wrote: And I won't whine about it here or anywhere else.
I agree. I have no issues with Microsoft products. Never really have. I don't get the whining.
Until there's something better, I'll keep making a good living by making Microsoft products even better.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Doesn't matter. As long as I have the correct version of Visual Studio for my project and a browser to get to Stack Overflow CodeProject, I'll be fine 
Hogan
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snorkie wrote: Stack Overflow
Burn the heretic!
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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I have a VM to test Windows 10 since it first preview and IMHO it is not worst than 7 as a developer machine...
As it is not that bad I can not refuse to update when time comes...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I honestly don't care. Will use whatever Windows is installed on a machine I use. It's just an operating system...
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Stick with W7 for now, but probably upgrade to W10 the next time I upgrade my entire desktop or get a new laptop, or if there's some actual need to upgrade.
Marc
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Staying on Win 7 Because of WMC on my Desktop.
Might upgrade laptops, might just buy a new one once WX is out. I'm in no rush.
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10 all around for my computers; barring any major surprises I suspect I'll be upgrading all of my families 8.x PCs to 10 (not sure if any of them still have working w7 laptops). Also, older versions of Windows are more likely to get pwnd[^] by hackers; I'd rather do a bunch of OS upgrades than one "Yeah, you're infected; Time to take of and nuke it from orbit" discussion.
The long tail for family machines is my Dad's laptop; but since he tends to buy and abuse a worstbuy special to death every other year (while on the road so calling me for help isn't a problem), I'm less concerned about it. And while my uncle has 3 vista boxes for his kids to do homework on; $150-200 will get a Win7 installed reburb corporate desktop that's significantly faster (the single core AMD chips in them now really suck) for only marginally more than an OS upgrade (kids are agitating for not-vista) and minor repairs (at least one of them has a dead cd drive) would run. If he does have me setup the new boxes, I'll be bumping them to 10 before delivery. Kids are ground zero for malware. 
As a gamer the performance gain from DX12 is a killer app. That said, I'll probably upgrade my laptop early on; and may hold out on my desktop until Christmas/New Years break to give more trouble shooting time if something goes wrong. OTOH if the laptop (and my spare desktop) go smoothly I might not; backup restore is easy enough after all and while I don't have any major problems with 8.1, it looks like W10 will reduce the friction involved.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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(at work) I'd like to, but it always depends on 3rd party support.
(at home) I'd like to, but I need to update hardware; current hardware is lacking (even on Win7)
I'd rather be phishing!
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Tim Carmichael wrote: it is a prevalent product in the workforce
Yes, for the moment. Just like DBaseIV once was a leader.
A single bad version is easily skipped, but it appears not to be limited to a single version; if you ignore Win7 you see a clear path of degradation. It will remain in the office for quite some time to come - even if you actively try to kill old technology, someone will still be out there using it (hello VB6).
Personally, I started moving toward different Linux-distro's after the release of Vista. It has been a pleasant experience, at a price that Microsoft simlpy cannot beat.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I switched to OSX as my main OS when Windows 8 came out.
At work, I used to be 100% Windows (.NET development) but I'm currently on about 75% Windows, 25% Mac (iOS development) these days.
With the direction .NET is going in (Roslyn, Visual Studio Code, Office 2016), I'm looking forward to seeing some good stuff from Microsoft in terms of IDE somewhere down the line, while at the same time enabling me to leave the crappy Windows platform behind for good 
I don't think that Windows really has much of a future unless they do something radical with it.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Upgrade from 7 to 10 is free, so why not?
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
<< please vote!! >></div>
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As a programmer, whether I like Windows 10 or not it doesn't really matter. I'll have to support my applications on it so I might as well use it so I know it. I'm on 8.1 now and don't have a problems with it, going back to the start menu on Windows 10 really slows me down now that I'm used to not using it. Personally don't see the big deal, rarely used the start menu in Win7 either.
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The work machines are controlled by our IT department, who will probably wait until the system is replaced.
I learned my lesson on my personal machines doing the 8.0 -> 8.1 *grade. Upgrade, never, only clean install. Short story, the performance of the upgraded machines stink. Worse, Lenovo doesn't support my laptop running any OS version other than the one it shipped with, so now that it's no longer the nice machine to use, it's my fault for upgrading and I'm SOL (well, till I restore it back to 8.0, but I've been too busy).
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Offhand, this time I think I'm just going to let "nature take it's course" (if you will) and let my systems upgrade. I've been at this a long time and have been, for the lack of better term, "micromanaging" things quite a bit. As long as the upgrades don't break my development system (I mean, nothing major) then I'm just going to sit back and let them do the upgrades. Generally speaking, version upgrades of Windows haven't really broken anything significant (for me anyway). At this point I'd rather just focus on the content I produce (my software, websites, etc.) than what version of the O/S is present on the machine. You might say I'm a bit tired of fighting the thing.
-CM
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Yesterday and today I've started to be flooded with junk email - the sort you don't subscribe to. I run Exchange Server 2010, and it supposedly has the junk filter on it. Has anyone else had this?
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Why don't you send us your private email address and we will let you know!
Life is too shor
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No, but that's probably because my ISP filters out all known spam. I get, maybe, 10 spam emails a year now.
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Your ISP does that? Sounds a bit intrusive.
I too only have been receiving stuff I've opted in to until two days ago. I can only assume that 'they' have found a combination which gets through the filter, or Windows Update has downgraded me or something. 12 emails, mostly all the same came through in my lunch hour. 
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Rob Philpott wrote: Sounds a bit intrusive.
There's the downside. But, the upside? I don't deal with spam! I'll take it.
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So where do you find czech girls or nigerian dying princes when you need some ?
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I go through an intermediary that arranges everything for me. Completely anonymous! 
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I used to do that (well it was the e-mail host rather than the ISP), but for some reason they started considering invoice requests, confirmation emails from my mobile phone provider and even emails from .gov.uk addresses (I'm still waiting on that tax refund) as spam.
So now I just have spam filters that run locally, that way I can take a look every now and then to make sure nothing important has been marked as spam.
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I never have a problem with it.
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I was checking flight information for my gf's weekend trip to GA for a cousin's wedding, and now all of a sudden I'm getting spammed with discount airline ticket emails. WTF? I didn't realize how freaking invasive GMail is. And I never logged in to Southwest, so they didn't have my email address, unless they got it somehow, but at the moment, I blame GMail.
Marc
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