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raddevus wrote: Have you tried Edge?.
Mandatory at work. Not bad, but still annoying from time to time. Specially the new side-frame that pops up when you klick a link in an email or in teams.
I have noticed the performance loss in FF too... really sad. Luckily still in a decent level for me.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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The side frame popups can be turned off via Settings -> Sidebar.
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For me at least it gets reactivated few days after. Not sure if domain policy or minor "updates"
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Would be domain policy. I've never seen this reactivate - not saying Microsoft won't do this, just that I've never seen it occur.
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obermd wrote: Would be domain policy.
I suspected it 
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I like Edge.
Only that it suddenly starts using the webcam on my laptop, as indicated by a pop up message "Edge is using your webcam". Covered my webcam camera with an opaque sticker.
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Amarnath S wrote: Only that it suddenly starts using the webcam on my laptop
That is a very odd behavior. I wonder what is causing that?? 
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Maybe it has AI thing to detect whenever i get a little edgy (its Edge, isn't it), so as to switch on the webcam
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I've noticed that it's only certain websites where it wants to turn on the webcam, like my bank. I assume it is the websites, not Edge. But I don't know why my bank thinks they need my webcam on.
Da Bomb
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If a website can enable turning on/off my webcam, its kindof dangerous, isn't it? Sometime back, it was reported that Alexa records private conversations even when turned off - this will become similar to that. Privacy issues.
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MS Edge is built off of Chromium since about 2020. MS rips out the Google telemetry and installs their own.
If it works for Chrome it should work for Edge.
I am glad they finally sealed IE in its crypt.
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Sad to say, some of the rendering that works in Chrome fails in Edge.
And Egde's integration with Windows and its accounts can be a headache (erased profiles, etc).
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Franc Morales wrote: some of the rendering that works in Chrome fails in Edge
That's interesting...and not great. I will keep an eye out for it.
Franc Morales wrote: Egde's integration with Windows and its accounts can be a headache
That sounds like par for the user account course. MS has never been great at managing user accounts. I remember having a seriously difficult situation with an XBox account that was all intermingled with another account. Very confusing. Hopefully they'll work it out soon.
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Franc Morales wrote: Sad to say, some of the rendering that works in Chrome fails in Edge.
I've only seen this on Google's own pages.
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Using it at work.
Used it at home, switched to Firefox.
All good and nice till an upgrade comes. There comes modal dialogs, sometimes Run as administrator modal dialogs.
Especially when you have to do something quick.
Unavoidable I have already answered questions like what to share, log in to link to the cloud, etc.
On W7, even more Run as administrator dialogs.
After fired up, a misclick and there comes the AI.
I have never tried vertical tabs or else because, like in Minesweeper, a lot of AI buttons are all around.
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I dumped Firefox at home and at work after watching our Rapid7/InsightVM device report the same vulnerabilities in Firefox version after version.
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Edge is my work browser, and I use it sometimes at home. The sync features work well ... the frequent pop-ups advertising various features also work well, despite my efforts to nuke them.
Try Vivaldi -- it's a Chrome clone that runs on Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android, and iOS. It's syncing works great, minus annoying popup and MS or Google telemetry.
I intend to test the DuckDuckGo browser, which runs on Android, iOS, MacOS, and Windows. No Linux.
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BryanFazekas wrote: Try Vivaldi
Thanks for the tip. If Edge doesn't work out I will try that one out.
I've been looking for another browser besides the Big 3 (FF, Chrome, Edge).
In the distant past I used Opera, but haven't tried it in a while.
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I keep FF installed as on occasion it's good for some things. I have Chrome installed on my work laptop as it's needed for testing, but haven't installed it on home desktop or laptop. Haven't tried Opera in years -- didn't like it last time, and just haven't bothered.
I'm considering DuckDuckGo for specific sites that do heavy tracking, e.g., FB, Google, Amazon. I like the idea of having them segregated from my other activities, although I have no idea at this point how useful that really is. But it's a thought.
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Side thought for everyone -- periodically go through cookies and nuke anything that is either unwanted or ya have no idea what it is. Pour your favorite drink first, as it will take longer than expected.
Recently I went through saved PWD and nuked a bunch of 'em. I don't save PWD in the browser for anything that matters (no financial stuff!!) and use distinct PWD for all accounts, but it's a good idea to keep things cleaned up on a periodic basis.
It just occurred to me to install Chrome, just to see what Google has stored. I'll nuke it all, and hope for the best.
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I still use Chrome on most of my devices (mac / windows)
Once in a while I try other browsers and they all feel clunky and I return to Chrome.
I might try edge on Mac
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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I had given Edge a try when MS first introduced it, before they replaced the rendering engine to Chrome - I couldn't get used to it, so I went back to IE.
I was just about the last guy to be using IE until they finally killed it for the...7th time? Then pages, even Microsoft's, started to get seriously broken. That was the end of it.
I never felt particularly compelled to let some random browser keep a history or build a profile. Microsoft already has that (and more), whether I use their browser or not, so I figured why not let just one company have that data instead of 2 (or 3 or 4 or...?). Try as they might, they still can't make a dent into the advertising business, and that suits me just fine.
Nowadays, even if going back to IE somehow became a viable option...I wouldn't. I've grown accustomed to a few things (basic as they might be) that I like: vertical tabs, collections, the way favorites are managed, having various profiles (so I won't be automatically logged into some work-related site unless I'm using my work profile), the fact that it now reliably reloads what I had opened after I reboot my system, syncing across devices...none of which was ever an option on IE.
To me it's more than a "good enough default". I don't know what a browser would have to offer to make me switch, given my "only allow data to be collected by the fewest companies as possible" policy.
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I read a while ago that DuckDuckGo uses Google in the back end.
The Brave Browser now uses its own search engine.
I also often use Yandex.ru on my cell phone. It makes a big difference.
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Quote: Most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellmann's mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.
This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.
The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day.
The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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ouch! 
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