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Dalek Dave wrote: I have to get off my arse and wander down a corridor to pick up a piece of paper that could easily have been scanned and emailed.
If you want to discuss people ignoring existing technologies designed to save everyone time...
My dad bought a wrecked car and--being a mechanic and his neighbor being a bodyman--put it back on the road. As part of the process to get it certified, he had to take pictures, get the JPGs printed, and snail-mail them in. I suspect that on the receiving end, somebody had to scan them back into some electronic format for archiving (assuming somebody needs to hang onto these)...
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Hi All,
Some of the regulars will know of my complaining about the circle of H E double right angles I am in with a project, that lacks documentation, instrumentation that lacks documentation. General Moans, Dilbert heck in other words. I finally plucked the courage to ask the Boss what I need to do. His answer was to ask Client, Client ask Boss, Boss has found an issue with other things he is doing so they need to sit down and have a 'confab' about it so he is coming over next week, I think he has finally realised there are decisions he needs to make rather than defer to others to get what he wants. I have taken the advice offered and it could be good. (He actually sent me an email yesterday saying "I was doing a great job")  
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glennPattonWork wrote: He actually sent me an email yesterday saying "I was doing a great job"
Good on ya. 
Now let's hope that the powers that be can come to some decision so that you can get out of the hot seat. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Mmm, my cynical side says he might have gone else where and was told "to do it with those spec's it will cost $X an hour", were we charge less than $X and have a better idea of what needs to be done. But I was feeling like I knew what I was doing for the first time!
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That is why I qualified it with let's hope. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Doesn't matter if he did - in fact it helps if he did.
I've had a couple of people like that in the past: "HOW MUCH?! I'm going to Joe!" Then a year or so later they come back and you get the same job, but with a better specification and a customer that loves you forever! 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: a customer that loves you forever!
I would settle with "love you long time". 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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There's a fine balance between taking responsibility for the work and assuming too much burden. It's always taken me a while with each new manager to learn how much they wanted to be involved in technical issues. More than once when I've had problems like you've described I've spent long periods wrestling with issues that the boss cleared up with a couple phone calls or an e-mail. My current boss is technical (he used to be one of the crew), so it's pretty easy to bring him stuff like this when I need to.
My general guideline is that if the issue comes from outside the group, it's blocking progress, and I can't resolve it, I bring it to the boss. If the issue involves priorities for myself or others in the group, I ask the boss since those are his responsibility.
If it's a matter of choosing how to do something, that's my decision. My current boss and I have occasionally 'discussed aggressively' those sorts of things.
Software Zen: delete this;
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And I built my career through CodeProject!
(lol  not employed by CP, but whatever I do at work, it's all learnt from here!)
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Vunic wrote: but whatever I do at work, it's all learnt from here!
Do you want fries with that? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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lol
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Vunic wrote: whatever I do at work, it's all learnt from here!
Where should we send the invoices?
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I thought CP means Charity for Programmers. Not so? 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
modified 9-Apr-14 7:06am.
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Nope: Charge Periodically.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Great, congrats ! (I am bit CP older than you.)
These days I crawled in my old messages, and I can reconstruct parts of my life (birth of children, wedding, carrier moves,...) with Lounge posts. In sugs&bugs, I could even retrieve my tiny contributions to the changes in CP...
But hell .... time flies !
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Yup you are in my good'ol mates list!
Congratulations to you too! 11 years is big. CP is a part of life!
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Vunic wrote: Yup you are in my good'ol mates list!
Yep, same here !
Vunic wrote: CP is a part of life!
Even if my contribution is in no way to be compared to legends here, I am really glad to be part of the "early" followers - who are still here. Seeing CP growing was/is fascinating.
My sole regret for now is that I never had an opportunity to meet with a CPian IRL (actually twice, but both canceled).
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Quote: but whatever I do at work, it's all learnt from here
I sure hope you don't mean the Lounge specifically. You'll need therapy. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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After I posted the message, I thought someone's gonna ask, "So chatting with people is your work?" . lol
Well I didnt mean Lounge, I meant the C++ forum.
But still, Lounge thought me how to flame people , which is still at work for me 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Quote: Well I didnt mean Lounge, I meant the C++ forum.
Good. There is still hope for you yet. You are not a lost soul.
Some people can't handle the Lounge and they end up going crazy. Then they start posting about their drinking habits or what they had for lunch. They go so crazy they confuse the Lounge with facebook and twitter. Don't let that happen to you.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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You think I look at lounge as it is ? there's another set of filters other than what CP offers as forum configs.
They are on my eyes. I tend to read only messages from the known names. _Known_ as in, known for a decade.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Yaaaa, that still doesn't keep you safe.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I get it.
Some trolls are as old as Chris
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I know it's probably a coincidence, but on the day Xp is retired, my Windows Xp VM - that I desperately need to support valuable legacy code - goes three sheets to the wind and has a self-inflicted electronic lobotomy?
I *never* surf the net on this VM, I just need it to run compilers and debuggers. I don't care about patches, updates, etc. I've been using you for 10 years, and the only time you've been unhappy is when MS patched you.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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