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chriselst wrote: Just driven four 12 year old girls,
Did you use a shephards crook or a whip?
Did you have a dog to help?
4 * 12 years old != 48 years old
chriselst wrote: Didn't understand anything they said,
You old fogey 
chriselst wrote: turns out they can all talk at the same time as each other without losing comprehension
Sounds like our scrum meetings. Oh. without losing comprehension...
chriselst wrote: Got to go and get them back in 3 hours
3 hours in the forest seems minor punishment - leave 'em a day or two...
chriselst wrote: can't imagine it being any better.
I first read that as akin to "It doesn't get better than this!"
chriselst wrote: you could say one of them is my common law step niece.
"One of them is your common law step neice"
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chriselst wrote: Just driven four 12 year old girls, none of whom I'm related to*, who had been
drinking energy drinks, through a forest.
<suspicious look=""> You're not Belgian by any chance are you?
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At what point does the expense of trying to retrieve this flight outweigh the benefit of finding it?
Last I heard it was in water far deeper than any of our robots can descend - how many millions will be spent trying to salvage that which cannot be salvaged? It seems to me that as a species we're hesitant to admit when nothing more can be done. Quit now, take 1/2 the money you save and give it to the families and move on already.
Sheesh.
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Its more about finding out what happened to prevent it happening again, finding the plane may save your life next time you fly.
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UsernameNotDefined wrote: Its more about finding out what happened to prevent it happening again, finding the plane may save your life next time you fly.
That would make sense if there was any possibility that this was some type of malfunction.
At this point it is pretty clear that it was a deliberate act by a member of the crew/passenger.
The cost is expected to be in the range of hundreds of millions of dollars.
I think they want the on board tape because our governments are staffed by snuff film aficionados..
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Another likely scenario was that there was a fire which possibly started in the nose wheel bay. Early reports seemed to indicate the pilot was returning to a different airport.
If the crew was overcome by smoke the plane would continue on that course until it run out of fuel. Remember nobody can access the flight deck since 9-11.
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At what point did I stop giving a sh*t?
About half an hour after it went missing.
The saturation coverage it's getting in the UK media you'd think there was nothing happening closer to home to be worried about.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Quote: About half an hour after it went missing.
The saturation coverage it's getting in the UK media you'd think there was nothing happening closer to home to be worried about.
I have a solution. Don't watch the news.  Works for me. I never get upset about news items.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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That's a fair point. I don't watch the news or read newspapers but I do check the headlines on a website or two most days. Make sure nothing that'll have a major impact on my life is happening.
So far nothing has.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Quote: So far nothing has.
Not even the sirens in the background?  Run!
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It is an open incentive for a number of companies to try out new technologies (*) like sonars and submarines and other stuff like that,
(*) and be on the news.
MehGerbil wrote: It seems to me that as a species we're hesitant to admit when nothing more can be done.
What and stop scientific/engineering advancement and marine (and space) exploration ?
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Addendum:
When the Air France plane crash in the Atlantic a couple of years ago, they continue searching for the plane to find out why it has crashed and with all that they could fix all that can be fixed to try to limit the possibility of a same kind of crash.
I'd rather be phishing!
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I think it is a national pride issue, See which country finds it first.
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Two things.
First, there are lots of unmanned subs can go much deeper than that, like 36,000+ feet deep. Manned subs, on the other hand, can't. There are only about 6 manned subs in the world that can go to 14,000+ feet.
Second, it's not about the families who lost. There are ways to retrieve the bodies, but what's the point. It's about not losing another plane to the same circumstances. It's about preventing the same fate for future families.
As for bringing up the plane, it isn't really about cost but practicality. If you can figure out what you need to look at, you can try to find and bring up just the pieces you need.
Right now the investigation needs 4 things: find the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder and bring those up. Find the "4 corners" of the airplane to see if it came down in one piece, and find the engines. Once you have those, you've got the best starting point you can have for the investigation of the physical aspects of the airplane.
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All of the airplane's parts are on Diego Garcia.
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Nope, they want to be irrational about it.
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I don't mind if they spend the money to put a guy on the moon.
However, hundreds of millions of dollars to get a tape of the co-pilot being threatened by the pilot is rather sick.
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MehGerbil wrote: hundreds of millions of dollars to get a tape of the co-pilot being threatened by the pilot is rather sick.
I think the relatives of the victims would likely disagree.
/ravi
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That doesn't mean they're right. Their objectivity is obviously compromised, so their opinion is basically worthless.
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Are you suggesting one can objectively place a price on a human life, then? If so, what would it be (in your opinion)? Next question: what if it were your own child's life? Hard and horrible question, I know, but that's exactly my point. 
/ravi
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We aren't talking about a human life here - the people were dead before the search even started.
But more to your question, yes, we can put a price on human life.
It may be crude but we do it on a daily basis.
For example, did you know if we reduced the speed limit on the Freeway to 25 MPH we could save gas AND save thousands of lives per year? At some point someone made the decision that the cost in human lives was worth the 70 MPH speed limit.
This happens with safety issues a hundred times per day.
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Meanwhile Russia is invading the Ukraine.... but dammit, let's find that plane!
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MehGerbil wrote: Meanwhile Russia is invading the Ukraine.... but dammit, let's find that plane!
Is there anything that can be done about that? It's not like the US would want to start a war with Russia over this.
John
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It's gotta be a QA question that caused this...
Amazon UK has a "special offers" page, holding eBooks they are giving away: £0.00p including delivery.
Now, I thought a couple of them might be interesting, so I bought them for my Android Kindle app.
And I've just had a series of emails from amazon thanking me for buying each one and giving me a voucher worth £1.19 because I bought a non-fiction ebook... 
I'm being paid to read books...
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Probably time to get going with those HttpWebRequests. A million sounds like a nice round number.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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