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Chona1171 wrote: Now I know the guy wrote these years ago and he could not have possibly have contemplated robotics in its current state and sophistication.
Not sure where you live but where I live there are no "sophisticated" robots. There are automatons and nothing else. And it looks really unlikely where I am sitting that there will ever be a robot like Asimov wrote about.
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Also thought it would go without saying but unfortunately have to say it.
Computers and the ability to test certain theories and amend would have been impossible with their level of technology.
What I mean by it is almost 60 years ago the memory and processing power required to operate an artificial intelligence (capable of even doing motion tracking processing data and identifying objects)they could only theorize machines with that capability (and the ability to change what the definition is of what they deem human).
And its true that neural networks was also theorized round about the same time , putting it into practice would have been quite difficult in 1940's as the most advanced machine(outside of those vacuum tube monsters) was probably the Wilkes EDSAC, with a whopping 1k works , 17 bits machine capable of doing only 714 operations per second
And yes I use the word sophistication lightly as robotics are not there yet in terms of our sci-fi movies if that is the standard you are holding it to.
Chona1171
Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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Chona1171 wrote: And yes I use the word sophistication lightly as robotics are not there yet in terms of our sci-fi movies if that is the standard you are holding it to.
Almost every book and movie which depicts robots depicts them in a way which is far, far above what we have now.
Consider the robots in the movie "I, Robot" at the very beginning before the master AI takes over where the personal robot is chasing the thief down the street. At that point the common robot is not considered (by the movie) as being very intelligent and definitely not self-aware. Yet the sophistication required for the entire sequence for that one single interaction is vastly more significant than anything that is possible now.
Chona1171 wrote: Computers and the ability to test certain theories and amend would have been impossible with their level of technology.
That statement is magic by technology in that it presumes that technology can forever proceed without bounds. Yet it is limited by the constraints of the physical universe both in terms of physics, complexity and the abilities of the human mind (which is just a subset of the complexity problem.)
There have been many remarkable advances since the 1950s but those are all predicated on incremental steps that proceed each one. And in terms actual advances in AI (in any way that suggests autonomous robot servants) has been very slow. The achievements have been remarkable in their mediocrity. As incremental steps towards any sort of AI it is not encouraging.
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jschell wrote: That statement is magic by technology in that it presumes that technology can forever proceed without bounds. Yet it is limited by the constraints of the physical universe both in terms of physics, complexity and the abilities of the human mind (which is just a subset of the complexity problem.)
True and as our technology grows so does the understanding of the limitations of such technology but keeping in mind that that the understanding of such limitation is only bound by what we know today (here I go looping again) but lets go back 200 years prior to the invention of radio , invisible waves carrying signals and voice across huge distances would have sounded absurd , what we are tinkering with today in terms of the edge of physics might become as laughable as the first experiments on static electricity 600 BC when the use of metal was limited to tools and weapons.
Yes when you look at the robots of today and those bulky monstrosities they put together as a "robot that washes dishes" it does not look encouraging but remember even the 1 GHz quad core smartphone we carry in our pockets had humble beginnings
Sure I believe one day we will push the maximum out of everything we have and know everything about sub atomic particles but for now I look to the future with great optimism and expectation and like the sailors back in the day careful that we dont fall off the edge of the world
Chona1171
Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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I was nine years old, when I first read Asimov's robot stories.
Even then I realised that those rules were just plain ridiculous, because, even if you could build a machine that could understand the rules enough to follow them as intended, they would be unenforceable, because it would be smart enough to make its own decisions on whether or not to follow them.
Chona1171 wrote: thought i should start an interesting debate topic
Then start one.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Cool! My first concert ever was Screaming for Vengeance in '83. I haven't listened to any of their stuff since Painkiller, but will have to check this one out. Thanks! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Project Naphta[^] is a Chrome extension that allows you to select text from an image (using ocr). It was featured in the Insider news a while back.
I found an Easter egg: Continually clicking on text in an image to select it adds an flame effect. Hot stuff!
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Besides the easter egg, does the extension work ? We do not have Chrome at work, so I cannot check it here, but if it works, it would be the hell of an cool thing !
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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At the bottom of the page: "...a rather fun little easter egg which you can play with by quickly clicking about a dozen times over some block of text inside a picture."
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There is so much crap on that page that there is no way I am adding anything to Chrome on their recommendation. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: There is so much crap on that page
... like ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Okay, maybe I just saw advertisements in the examples and didn't read the text.
It is a result of internet overloading where I don't read anymore but just scan pages to see if I am interested in the subject. 
I am a product of my times. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I found the following identifier in a piece of my code this morning:
_RegistryCopy_LOCAL_MACHINE_STREAM_Enterprise_710_PressController
Software Zen: delete this;
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~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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The Length of the line it is.
I will never again mention that Dalek Dave was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel.
How to ask a question
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Marco Bertschi wrote: The Length of the line it is.
Are you sure about that? 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I need to sell my soul.
My truck turns 16 this year and it's got so many problems I don't know where to begin and would be very expensive to fix everything that needs to be done.
So I went to a dealership, haven't been to one in 20+ years and got a bad case of sticker shock. So I need to make a deal with the devil or sell ?spare? body parts to be able to afford a 2012 Ford Focus with 62K miles.
Looks like I'll have to go back to work for a while?
Along with Antimatter and Dark Matter they've discovered the existence of Doesn't Matter which appears to have no effect on the universe whatsoever!
Rich Tennant 5th Wave
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You could always approach your bank manager.
I suggest with a pair of stockings and a sawn off would be best.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Satan is easier to negotiate with than a bank.
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Well, you could try FleaBay[^].
But...You can't, it seems[^]
Consider slightly older cars than 2012 - if you look around, you should find something in the 5+ years area that is considerably cheaper: because the other mug punters owners have already swallowed the depreciation.
My current car cost me ~$2K, was 10 years old, one previous owner, and had 70K miles. Now in it's third year of my ownership, and it has cost me about $1.2K in repairs on top of the usual running costs.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Mike Hankey wrote: So I went to a dealership devil ... got a bad case of sticker shock.
FTFY
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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You could try contacting one of them Nigerian princes. I hear they like giving out money.
What is this talk of release? I do not release software. My software escapes leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake.
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My truck needed replaced last year.
Ended up with a 2009 but still paid more than I would have liked.
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This[^] seems relevant.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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