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That's nothing. When I was a wee 'un, I had to calculate pi to completion. We couldn't round like these lazy kids do today.
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/ravi
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Sorry, but that's irrational.
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Keith Barrow wrote: Sorry, but that's irrational.
Agreed. But you know how math is - it's just a numbers game.
/ravi
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Colour outside the 2/swan - you are now the most intelligent person involved in this homework.
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Well, it's preschool. They're not allowed to assign too many hours' homework.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I though number two's were always brown.....
Daaaaaad joke!
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Got an email of a (supposed) survey for CP w.r.t. cloud usage.
Is it genuine?
Aside from that, the link fails w/run-time error;
http://apps.developermedia.com/click/44232?_z= ( 17-digit number)
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Is that the one that asks for your credit card details and gets sent to me?
It's genuine. :InnocentWhistleSmiley:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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It's the real deal.
We're having endless internal debate about editorial at the moment and wanted to pick your collective brains about how important Cloud Computing is to you. We did a survey a couple of years back and got a lot of "I hate Buzzwords!" and "This Cloud thing is a fad" answers which, well, didn't really provide the indepth, thoughtful repartee we were hoping for.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Hi. greeting to all!!!
First, I must be clear in some points:
- I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life)
- This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA)
- I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions.
- Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional!
Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software...
You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?)
Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser.
To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!!
Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies)
- Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour...
- Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology
- Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro developers, geeks, ...), My mother for sure doesn't need win8 to write documents in Office2000 (<-- notice how I'm playing with the Office version, at the end for casual user there is no real difference since Office97, just buttons changed color and form)
Everybody else will change only if they really need... and maybe that is my main point, when does you really need to change? If you are old enough (maybe 30 years old) you already know that some "improvements" in tech are more commercial than real enhancements. (today cellphones, video cards, CPUs...) I'm sure you don't need those SERVERS in your home!!!
Something else is that probably those Articles you see in Internet are more related to big business that to small business, for sure Companies like Google, Coca Cola, Intel and like they will want and need to be updated, but man, the "Maquila" that is 1 block from my home, I'm sure they are doing fine with all they old XP pcs!!!
I'm wondering if someone is preparing a good Security Package to support all those old win XP pcs:
- Firewall
- Antivirus, Antispyware, Antimallware
- Internet Browser
- OS Patches
Can you imagine billing 10USD annually by PC_, today the amount of XP machines are still over 30% that should be a huge income!!! (Bad, I don't have enough time, resources and knowledge about security)
Then in resume:
- Upgrade because is new technology is not applicable in all cases.
- Upgrading can be to expensive for some companies and due they type of work they barely need this update/
- Update because Security, not everybody need those security updates, there is still a lot of business that will live with just a nice antivirus
- Web World? all you need is a good Internet Browser, for this you don't need Win8 or better.
Don't update just because is the new Fashion, update because you need it!!!
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Well you are quite free to stay with Windows XP as long as you like. The only issue is that Microsoft no longer offer support for it.
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well, is not about if you like, is more about do you really need it? and in other cases, can you afford it?
if is about like I stay with Win7, Win8 has been painful with those side menus, for sure they are good in a cellphone but each time I slice my finger from right to left I got that contextual menu!!! man!! I hasn't been able to disable that feature!!!
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Member 4673202 wrote: well, is not about if you like, is more about do you really need it? and in other cases, can you afford it?
In the case of XP, since MS no longer support it and that means that newly revealed security weaknesses will no longer be addressed it's more a case of "can you afford not to?".
Would you use your credit cards on an XP machine happily? Because I wouldn't...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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probably no, but that is the case, those companies and homes pc I'm talking about are used just to navigate internet, check facebook, or create document, they don't do any kind of financial stuff...
so the security risk is low, the only problem they face are.. oh the PC or OS dies, lest format and reinstall our copy of XP again...
that is the context I'm talking about, and I know a lot of companies in this situation, they will not change unless the hardware dies.
So in resume you will change only if you really need it, if you require high security levels stay updated (of course, it must pass testing)
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Worth thinking about, a lot of Cash Points (ATM's) use XP (or XPe)...
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With the know bugs in open souyrce ssl code, would anyone use a creadit card at the moment,
regadles of OS or browser?
Security has over the internet, has little to do with the O/S versiopn, or
whether MS still supportsd it, Whih recent event show that MS still if presured to do so
will fix security issues with XP.
Its the nature of IT ppl to insist keeping updated, it's how they earn a liviing
As a deveolper, I'm more concerned about backward compatibilty, and keeping users/ family members happy andf productive.
I see no reason not to stick with XP, if thats what you want.
Just don't listen to anyone who tells you that you are at risk, becuse of security issues.
MS stopppoed producing new version of IE for XP a long time ago, as an incentive for ppl to
move to a newer windows. But I took it as in incentive to move to Chrome instead.
Don't get me wrong, I use Windows 7 as well, mainly as thin clients to acces VMWare.
But the real work horses are still XP VMs.
AS a small business, I simply cant afford the time, effort, or cost t invloved to upgrade, these VM from
XP to Win7.
Ther are lost of issue, I have investigated, and decided, I simply can't do it.
Sever hardwrae needs replacing.
Win 7 now longer has Outlook Express, (Live mail, not a real alternative)
My VMWARE V2 won't run win7 in console with crashing. (althouh RDP seems fine).
Apps I use on XP boxes, no longer available
and the list goes on...
So I agree wcom[pletly with you, and understand how this is causing you hi emotion.
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Member 4673202 wrote: Win8 has been painful with those side menus,
See this[^] post.
/ravi
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Member 4673202 wrote:
- I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions.
...
Win8 has been painful with those side menus, for sure they are good in a cellphone but each time I slice my finger from right to left I got that contextual menu!!!
Well you managed to make it one whole post before you veered from your own rules. :/
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I have two file servers at home for my video, ebook and music collections. Why did I put XP on them and then use them as file servers, you ask? Well, simple. I had XP on them already and it worked fine for my home network; I didn't need Windows Server. Until they die physically, I expect to continue running XP on them. "But XP is no longer supported by Microsoft", you cry! Who cares? They work right now doing what I am using them for. They work great. I don't access the internet through them, they don't update themselves unnecessarily anymore (I turned off the automatic updates after the 8th of April) and yet they keep working. Since I am not doing anything new with them I don't need any new updates. I don't need to run away to Linux and all that hassle. They just work solidly and effectively eternally (for a given value of eternity).
My desktops all run Windows 7 (except for one Vista machine I use as file download central that I don't feel the need to update as is, once again, just works at what I want it to), I am happy with Windows 7 which I have used for quite a while now but I don't have to upgrade everything to it and certain don't plan on Windows 8 until it has been properly fixed - which may never happen.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: Why did I put XP on them and then use them as file servers, you ask?
No, I asked no such thing.
Forogar wrote: "But XP is no longer supported by Microsoft", you cry!
Nor did I 'cry' anything. I merely made a comment.
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Oh yeah? Well I wasn't talking about you! Nyah, nyah, nyah!
I always like to give a mature and reasoned response.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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tl;dr
CPallini wrote: You cannot argue with agile people so just take the extreme approach and shoot him.
:Smile:
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