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+5 forpointing out the irony.
Yet I always felt Aero to be pointless. It does give nice cues, but only when you have bulky borders which reduce space for content. With minimal borders and typical applications, the additional cues are near zero.
I understand the Metro design as a "reset to zero": what is the minimum UI we actually need. Instead of stacking more jewelry on the pig, get rid of the pig.
Iteratively adding in not-so-useless-after-all features (like an accessible shut down button  ) could actually be considered as "Microsoft listening to users", but that would destroy the Microsoft Sucks narrative.
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peterchen wrote: Yet I always felt Aero to be pointless.
I've always liked Aero. Is it basically eye candy? Of course, but so what? If I have to work with an OS all day (as long as it's functional) I prefer it has a bit of style and beauty. Kinda like a woman... 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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To stick with your comparison: it made most apps look like a very boring woman with a lot of expertly applied makeup. That's nice as decoration, but not so much to work with.
But yeah, I see that this is a personal preference. If someone is having fun with it, why not? It also doesn't really *hurt* me to work with it.
Still, I prefer Metro - just seeing icons being icons (instead of a professionally lighted 3D salad of more pixels than my first screen had) is kind of a relief.
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peterchen wrote: Still, I prefer Metro - just seeing icons being icons (instead of a professionally lighted 3D salad of more pixels than my first screen had) is kind of a relief.
I've only ever "played" with it (on a VM) back when the Win 8 Preview came out. Didn't care for the live tile concept at all! The tile concept in general on a desktop seemed forced and counter-intuitive. But then again... I'm old. 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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The tiles are my full-screen start menu, no more.
The "flat" style extends to the desktop, trhough - which is what I'm happy about; I never could get used to the Office Ribbon - only starting with the 2013 "Metroish" style I am actually starting to like it. Same goes for the general WIndows UI: less makeup.
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It's a right royal pain in the arse if you have to take screenshots.
I don't want to show customers pictures of windows with horrible rounded corners and hints of porn in the background.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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After using Windows 8 at my last job, it wasn't the start menu I missed (I didn't to my surprise) but Aero.
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And, if they don't change things, people start complaining about stagnant and old technology and needs a facelift and what have you done for me lately and and and....
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Every time there's a Windows release, there are problems with drivers and hardware/software compatibility.
Do I think MS should spend 300,000,000 hours on making the UI all arty-farty, when those problems exist?
Who's the project manager? Tell him to report to my office.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Who's the project manager? Tell him to report to my office.
He's on the phone with MSI and ATI and nVidia and Creative and HP and. . ., yelling "Will you guys PLEASE stop taking shortcuts with your drivers and stick to the @#&%! specs we sent you?!"
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It made me think that Microsoft has 127,000 employees. They are laying off 5000; about 4%. Do note, though, that four years ago, there were 93,000 employees at Microsoft.
Last year, in two separate layoffs three months apart, the company I was working for laid off about 30% of their workforce. At my prior company, the big layoff, due to a buyout, was somewhere between 20% and 30% (though the morale was so bad, another 20%-plus quit over the next year.) Going back six years, the layoff at that company was maybe 5%, but was a whopping 60% of the team I was on. Going back eleven years to the dot-com crash, the layoff was 100% when the company ceased to be.
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Hi All,
Just wasting time, I have just been told via the grape vine that I'm not the only one gone. The issue is a lot of the jobs I can see are either too software based requiring skills I don't have (Web) or too hardware based (VLSI/VHDL). I think I chose the wrong horse in trying to be an interfacing specialist.
Ohh yeah I can see SPAM below!
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Sounds like the company is going the way of it's web site - at least they are paying you to go!
What other job functions have they lost?
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Basically all the Windows & mid level designer roles, at least 66% of the production team. The company doesn't look good, if I wasn't pushed this would have me jumped! The big meeting where I get told my package (Narf, way hay!) I will mention the web site... 
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glennPattonPUB wrote: The big meeting where I get told my package (Narf, way hay!) I will mention the web site...
I wouldn't - not unless you want to fix it's "little problems", of course.
I'd mention it on your last day, when it's too late for them to get you to fix it - unless they pay your consultancy rates, of course...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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It's when they take away all your toys that things get really boring. I had two weeks on site with a client who was having an argument with the powers back in London. We couldn't do any work [not allowed to] but had to be on site [so as not to breach contract] but we had all the intarwebs disabled too. So we were stuck in an office for two weeks with SFA to do.
We did not, I repeat NOT, drink. No we DID NOT.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: We did not, I repeat NOT, drink water. No we DID NOT.
FTFY!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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more like
Nagy Vilmos wrote: We did not, I repeat NOT. Drink? No we DID NOT.
Now I wonder... Who is this NOT? Is she hot? Where is she from?
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Really, closet Pub?  , the issue is I am going to up against fresh graduates with no bad habits(?)
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: I had two weeks on site with a client who was having an argument with the powers back in London. We couldn't do any work [not allowed to] but had to be on site [so as not to breach contract]
I was on a contract where I was told not to do any work for 3 months. My management was trying to prove a point that the web designer that was re-assigned was so vital that we couldn't get anything done without him so he should be returned.
She was not too bright and didn't realize what she was doing to our credibility. She was in way over her head as she didn't have a clue about what we actually contributed to the organization. Yes it was a government contract where the most incompetent get promoted.
Well desiigner wasn't returned and eventually my management was told that if we couldn't do any work we were worthless and would all be removed from the project.
She changed her mind and we had to work after that. I was able to explore alternative technology I otherwise would not have had time to look into.
Others were content to shop on-line and follow their friends on Farcebook.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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I'm on-line therefore I am.
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I've found something for you to do[^].
... and 'penguin'
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Well that's the day gone
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Quote:
Pretend to be a car
(Amusement Potential: 5-10 minutes)
Make appropriate revving noises in your head as you walk along and add a racing commentary as you pass strangers in the street. Use blinking eyes as indicators for extra authenticity.
When I was a student in Bridgwater there was a local Looney call Barry(?) I think. He would hang around the Railway Station and pretend to be a Car, Motorcycle, HGV but not a train(!) with sound affects I was told by a guy who was a local he had a brother who was sectioned didn't really seem that long until those nice young me in there bright white coats turned up for him!
Glenn
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Aw 5k! Aren't the little ones cute! 
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