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Wait, isn't that the same thing?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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If so, the small Betelgeusian planet had a nice lake and hiking trail. I'll have to engage the FTL drive more often.
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Got a call this morning from an Indian recruiter for a local contract position. (Ironically, I'd actually interviewed at the same company for a full time position several months ago, but this apparently was with a technical customer worked hand-in-hand with them.) I told the recruiter I didn't do embedded Linux. He said that only my Qt and C++ experience mattered. He was clueless so I told him to submit my resume and I'd figure out what the real requirements were in the interview.
Twenty minutes later, the recruiter's boss calls--another Indian, though more understandable. He tells me that the client saw my resume and will interview if I guarantee I'll accept the contract if offered. I said, no. His reply; "You misunderstand, we've had people interview, accept and then back out." I replied that it's a contract, which means either side can cancel it at any time and I won't accept anything until I know a lot more about the job. He started arguing with me. I told him I was no longer interested and hung up.
He called back and started arguing with me again. I told him to never call me again and hung up.
This is not the first time I've had Indian recruiters ask me to make a guarantee. What is that all about? Second, only a handful of eastern US recruiters are as aggressive and none refuse to listen or are as argumentative as Indian recruiters. Then there is another Indian recruiter who called this morning and I honestly didn't understand anything he was saying, so I told him to email me and hung up. He never sent an email.
EDIT: Oh. My. God. The recruiter just sent me an email saying we had a misunderstanding and could we go forward? I told him to f*** off.
EDIT 2: Just got a call from another Indian recruitment firm for the same position! I asked him about the Embedded Linux requirement--he said it didn't matter. Wonder what the client thinks about that. I asked him what the pay rate was. He then drops the bomb shell that I'd actually be working for the original recruitment company and that he was doing them a favor.
EDIT 3: Got an email from yet another recruiter for the same position. Funny thing, though, is that the recruiter used reply which included the email chain with the original requirements list and pay rate limits.
On top of all this, the client is actually an Indian technology consulting company. This is absurd.
modified 11-Aug-14 15:28pm.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: if I guarantee I'll accept the contract if offered. I said, no
I don't like to limit my options, so I'd say "yeah, sure". It's just a meaningless verbal agreement and the recruiter is obviously an idiot so I don't care if he thinks my response is in any way binding.
Additionally, at the end of the interview, you should know enough about the job to let them know you're not interested -- that should keep them from making an offer.
I once had an idiot ask me "are you in or are you out?" -- I said I was "in", and left the "until I decide otherwise" part unsaid. 
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I've had some calls sorta like that but not nearly as bad. I think you handled it admirably.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Joe Woodbury wrote: and will interview if I guarantee I'll accept the contract if offered
That actually happens? Bit scary, really... That's like agreeing to buy a house before you can look inside. Seems like it'd be the height of stupidity, to make that kind of promise. Well handled, Joe.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: I'll accept the contract if offered
Say "sure you'll accept"... and then if called on it just tell them that you had your fingers crossed. 
You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think.
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I would have said yes then if after the interview I didn't like the offer would have asked him, Ok then I can start Monday where can I hang my gun rack? 
Just kidding, I'd have told then to f*** off also. Hate dealing with idiots which it sounds like he is/was.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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I've been in a position a number of times where I was offered a role at the end of an interview. I always say yes unless I really had no desire to work there on the basis that I can change my mind later.
Expecting any sort of sense, honesty or fairness out of a recruiter is like exposing your neck to a vampire and expecting him not to bite.
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Hi Joe, its great you're here online I've been wanting to have a yarn with you.
Look I know this bloke and hes looking for a contract coder - a bit of C++ and some QT, maybe a bit of linux but i'm told it doesn't really matter...
Could you have a yarn with him, maybe a bit of an interview and all that?
Perfect role for you dude
Bryce
p.s. oh Hes got a bit of an subcontinent type accent
MCAD
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Chuck Norris was born May 6, 1945
Nazis surrendered May 7, 1945
Hmmm ...
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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I think you're on to something Walt!
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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That would be good if his DoB wasn't out by five years! 
Born
Carlos Ray Norris
March 10, 1940 (age 74)
Ryan, Oklahoma, U.S.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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And Nazis surrendered on May 9th 1945, not May 7th, but hey...
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Wow! Chuck Norris was born 5 years old! That's impressive!
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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He was reborn when he fired his first 1911.
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No, read it again:
Born
March 10, 1940 (age 74)
He was born 74 years old. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Chuck Norris does not follow time, instead time bends around him...
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With 10 plus years of software engineering under my belt, I've worked in many companies using a lot of different technologies. Whilst some were a joy to work with, there are some that I never want to see or be associated with again. To that end I tend to not list the following in the hope that no one expects me work with them:
Web development (HTML, JavaScript, CSS)
Visual Basic 6, VB.NET, VBA or any derivative language
SSIS
Perl
Any in-house developed DSL
LabView
AutoSys
What are yours?
modified 11-Aug-14 12:40pm.
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You don't like .NET? It's a thing of beauty.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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C# is great, VB.NET not so much as I may as well slash £100 a day off my rate. Same for ASP.NET 
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Any exposure-only technology. For example I mentioned 'familiarisation' with Ruby or Java, and suddenly I get pr**ks trying to recruit me to Ruby On Rails 'guru' jobs or Java architect positions. Bloody dim-witted CV robots, written by naive programmers who haven't a clue what a Rule-Based System is. And don't get me started on 'Active' advertising that tries to sell you what you just bought. Again and again. For three weeks.
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I feel your pain 
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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CatchExAs wrote: be associated with again
Anything to do with InstallShield or similar ilk.
You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think.
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