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If you are using Mono why would you need Wine? Considering Gnome is built on mono.
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They're not the same thing, and one thing does not replace the other. Mono is a .NET implementation, while Wine is a WinAPI implementation. I'm using Mono to run my .NET projects, Wine for small windows-applications that I love, like Notepad++.
SteveS@TrippStudios wrote: Considering Gnome is built on mono.
Gnome existed before Mono 
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Agreed. Gnome was before Mono, latest version though is mono-based.
Run ubuntu 14.10 on vm in win8, always nice to be able to check things from multiple perspectives.
Even have xamarin studios on my RPi 2 
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SteveS@TrippStudios wrote: Gnome was before Mono, latest version though is mono-based.
Cool, you learn something new every day here
SteveS@TrippStudios wrote: Even have xamarin studios on my RPi 2
I don't have Xamarin on there, but Samba is already installed. Too bad there's no network here, could be fun.
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Depends.
If it's "OS as a service", they can keep it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: OS as a service
Apparently not YET, yet being the operative word.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Just from my experience with MS products I'd stand well back until the other shoe drops.
Even as far back as DOS, 6.0 was a disaster that destroyed many a user's HDD data before it was fixed with 6.1;
Particularly if they're letting Win 7 users upgrade for free, I can not help but think that it's bait on some hook. Maybe just because Win8 is a flop and they need to pull the Win users back onto the same level as best they can, but I don't trust in corporate altruism (an oxymoron if ever there was one).
And what about intrusiveness - I keep trying to control updates to Win7 PC's so they don't happen at bad times - and it keeps getting set back to them doing it to me, anyway. Maybe some Lenovo inspired spyware as part of the O/S?
I'd take a step back until they clear the bodies.
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I remember those days very well. I got Win2000 for free (back when they had the Insider program and served lunches), and it fixed everything on my PC that I never got to work properly under Win95. That lulled me into a false sense of security and trust. Then the updates started coming in, and every third one destroyed the computer and forced me to rebuild from scratch. That continued up through 98SE, then got a little better with XP, and I've had very few issues with Win 7. It seems they're getting a bit better at this stuff, finally.
I'm thinking I'll wait until the Win 10 release is about 6 months old, clone my current hard drive to something removable, then try the experiment. If my PC survives, then we'll consider it for work.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Bait on some hook?
Nah, SOMEONE'S trying to get their app store a userbase. Android went from nothing to 2 billion in a few years.
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Waow it's all doom and gloom here so far!
I think Windows 10 looks great, will be upgrading as soon as I can.
As long as you are tech-savvy, you can always roll back if things go wrong.
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Haha, no joke. Doom and gloom galore!
I upgrade all of my dev systems, dev servers and sqa servers every December. Windows, office, visual studio, SQL management, SQL server, TFS, etc. Takes about 4 hours to go through all 10 systems.
Then I upgrade staging/production every februrary, after a 2 month burn in.
I have not had an upgrade problem since SQL 2000 - SQL 2005. So for 10 years, I've been upgrading 2 months after MS releases all their stuff, not one problem that was worth committing to my brain's storage.
In my experience, people hesitate over fear of the unknown, or hate towards Microsoft, or lack of funds to be on SA/msdn/bizspark.
But for productivity, I'd upgrade and always stay current. Try getting a job in quick basic on novell netware! Shoot, try getting a job in .net 2.0 and VS 2005. Interviewers will laugh you out of the building if you don't stay current.
Robert
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I haven't looked at it yet, but... I'll probably upgrade.
MS have a habit of "Good one" followed by "Cr@p one" followed by "Good one" again, and TBH I don't think they can afford to mess up too badly after the débâcle of Win8. It was meant to be a "uniting OS" pushing market share into the mobile market, leveraging their share from the desktop market. That failed, badly - and expensively - and probably improved the competitions position in all markets.
They aren't dumb; they know the damage it will do if their "core users" don't go along with them this time.
I think it'll be a good one. (Damn well hope so!)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: (Damn well hope so!)
Me, too, Griff! 
Will Rogers never met me.
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I'm hoping that win10 is a good one. If it proves to be a flop, I'll be switching to Apple or securing a copy of one of the UX platforms from one of the university labs.
The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.
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OriginalGriff wrote: I think it'll be a good one.
But, but, they skipped the good one, Windows 9, so we will have a bad one again 
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I will upgrade in a heartbeat. I've been using windows 8.1 for a while now and despite wanting to pull my hairs out on the first few weeks, I barely feel I'm not using Windows 7 anymore.
8.1 improved usability a lot over 8.0 for desktop users. I can only expect Windows 10 will be much better.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Everything since XP has been basically the same kernel, a few added userland features, and a different window manager (user interface).
I've been on Windows 10 for about 3 months. I'm still finding and reporting bugs, but nothing major, and only UI stuff. There was nothing wrong with Windows 8, except they made bad decisions about the UI. A replacement shell like Classic Shell makes it fine.
However, a clean install of Windows 8 is about 20 gigabytes.
I can't think of a good reason to migrate a server from 2008 to 2012 until security patches are discontinued.
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Based on my experience with Windows 8 (cr*p), don't upgrade to W10 if you have W7.
If you have W8, by all means upgrade (W10 couldn't be any worse).
(I'm not even talking W8 UI; that beast hangs at least once every couple of days for me).
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I think after android most general people are now aware of open source and people will soon shift their all personal computer uses to linux distributions thats why windows 10 will not be successful much.
Another reason windows 10 will be free upgrade even for pirated users the value of windows will now decrease.
A nightmare for everybody is that after announcing windows 10 free, microsoft may not integrate adwares to its operating system 
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I've been testing Win 10 since its first preview release and find it to be an excellent OS.
That said, it is different than Win 7 from a user's point of view.
So I suggest you base your decision on your 12 users. How adaptable are they? Perhaps it's better to consider how change-resistant are they?
I've been programming since before there were PCs and the most difficult part of any job has not been the implementation of the change, but rather the change itself. People are very resistant to change in their work environments and that in itself can be enough to scuttle some projects.
The Win server 2008 is a non-issue.
Hope this helps
Murray
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![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif) 10 for the money. 10 for the glory. 10 for the world. Viva la revolución!
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Maybe the hardest reason not to upgrade as soon as it is available is that it is not in your DNA or in your companies DNA. So expect a few generations of employees to mutate and acquire the skills to be early ad safe adopters.
Frank Silva
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After asking a question on how to upgrade to 8.1 a lot of respectable ![Green Alien | [Alien]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/alien.gif) ians have told me that it was a bad idea doing that (going from 7 to 8.1) and of course, I've wondered what is so terrible about it as it Works for me...
So here's another question: why 7 is much better tan 8.1 or if you prefer... why 8.1 is as terrible compared to 7?
Please don't start flame wars or similar... everyone has its opinion and it must be respected.
I'll start:
windows 8 pro's:
- Internet explorer 11 knows that it has to change it's spell check when you change the input language.
- You can pause large file operations.
- It starts really fast.
- When you start several copy operations all of them are stacked onto one single dialog.
- Once you know that windows+c shortcut getting into the control panel is a breeze.
- In a multi display environment you have the task bar in all the displays and then you can reach all your open programs from any display and show the start menu in the display you are looking at...
windows 7 pro's:
- start menu is much better.
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modified 18-Mar-15 13:27pm.
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Why does Win8 suck? Simple...
Your computer has installed updates and will restart in 30 minutes
[Restart Now] [Close]
I clicked Close, because I'll restart when I'm %(*#ing well ready to restart... Go back to doing things...
Your computer has installed updates and will restart in 15 minutes
[Restart Now] [Close]
What the elephant? I told it to shut up!
...and so on, until the automatic reboot...
Obviously, once I experienced that, I turned it off so it'll never do that again... But no operating system should force a reboot like that, without even giving an option to postpone.
The start screen is annoying, but not a deal-breaker... Haven't found anything else I hate about it yet... Of course, I only have it on my laptop, not my Win7 desktop, so it hasn't seen heavy use.
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Sadly they have also taken that idea to Windows Server 2012 too
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Help end the violence EAT BACON
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