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Vive La France !
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with sadness, and respect, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Latest figures say 84 dead, 18 injured.
My thoughts are with the French today.
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Bomb Mecca.
Each time such an atrocity takes place, the affected country should bomb Mecca, Medina and any other place holy to Islam.
Maybe they will stop then.
If not, repeat the medicine.
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This is the most ridiculous statement I have seen. Why do you want to do that.
Statement like this inflames the situation.
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Ridiculous - well not in a necessarily strategic sense.
A gorilla type army, particularly one that is highly dispersed, can go on indefinitely. The only way to really end such an insurgency is to attack the homeland to the extent that those sending them do not want any further damage as it is no longer worth the potential gains.
Daesh, for all practical purposes, doesn't have a homeland. Furthermore, losses to troops are not a concern (martyrdom and all that), even for the troops. So - without an 'homeland' or troops that can be demoralized, what do you do?
Attacks, such as in "everywhere", cannot be stopped directly. You need to hit the demoralizing option by whatever means. So - what shall it be?
Remember: The Taliban was planted in Pakistan by the Saudis, financed and raised, Daesh by Qatar, Hezbalah is a 'we didn't do it' proxy for Iraq. On and on.
So - what do you suggest we do? What will hurt enough to make them consider stopping? I've had some grizzly proposals of my own, but it's up to you.
What is the most moral route (if that's what you wish): How many lives (of innocent bystanders) are you willing to merely mourn? When do you work on prevention?
Your move.
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I don't want to discuss further and make in a soapbox material. If you post in SB I will reply it
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Brilliant analysis! 
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Spot on!
You have just been Sharapova'd.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: A gorilla type army
Really tempting to post the navy seals pasta right now.
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That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them.
You can't condemn / attack an entire religion / people on the actions of a (relative) few.
It's the individuals that misuse the religion to get whatever they want, chaos, money, power, ...
It's those individuals we need to find and stop.
Every religion has it's radicals, yes at the moment the islam has the worst one's (maybe), but that doesn't mean that every moslim is bad.
And
Vivic wrote: Maybe they will stop then.
They won't, and it most likely would have the opposite effect, more people would join the terrorist side.
And before you ask: I'm an atheist so I don't care about the religion part.
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them.
I reply only to this affirmation, as I don't agree with the proposed solution but this sentence always catches my attention.
I (and I speak only for myself) wish not to be better than them. I wish to be able to go on with my life without the fear of an idiot coming to kill as much as he/she can without even the self-preservation instinct that every animal possess.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Not that his idea is good, but being morally superior is useless. It's no more than an opinion, it has no real effect on the state of the world. The other side is morally superior too, if you ask them. So where does that leave us?
Exitus acta probat.
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You seem not to understand.
There are no moderate Muslims.
There are only cowardly Muslims who keep their mouths shut when they hear hate speech about infidels, because they know they would be killed before the infidels if they should object.
So, bomb Islam's shrines to tell them that if they don't protest against hate speech/actions by fellow Muslims, there wouldn't be a Mecca for them to,turn towards, come prayer time.
I would go further. Give Muslims the same treatment Saudi Arabia gives non/Muslims: no mosques should be allowed and no gathering in private for worship either. They could live in the West exactly like minorities in Saudi Arabia live.
And off with their hands for stealing. If they want Sharia, they get Sharia in full force. Even if they don't want Sharia, they should get Sharia.
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Fire, meet petrol! 
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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My thoughts go out to all the victims and their families.
Tragic
Tom
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I'm waiting for Obama to say something stupid again, like "It's almost as easy to buy a truck as it is a book... or a Glock.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Well - with your pre-programmed anti-Obama burp, the "say something stupid" has already been taken care of.
Remember: Reagan traded arms for hostages. Bush II let the binLaden family flee/fly from the USA when everyone else was grounded - you've seen pictures of the Bushes (literally) holding hands with Saudi royalty (and kiss)[^].
You can be upset with what goes on in the US - but Obama didn't let the Koreans go nuclear. It took the money-hungry EU to close their eyes to Iran. And the GOP controlled House and Senate to make the last eight years the so amazingly unproductive.
Obama has a sh*tload of dirty laundry - but nothing compared to his opposition.
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If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that I said it doesn't matter who's in charge, the American people are NOT what's important to politicians. They don't pass laws for the benefit of their constituents - they do it to gain more power and money at the EXPENSE of said constituents.
What happened with past presidents really is out of context. The one in charge right now is the one that's screwing the pooch, so that's the one I'm concentrating on. When the next president does something stupid, I'll harp on that as well.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: When the next president does something stupid, I'll harp on that as well.
That's fair enough.
I just have in my mind a list of western "leaders", following 9/11, being apologists for Islam. All with the basic "Don't blame them all" speech. What we should have been hearing is from them, instead, saying "Don't blame us all". Certainly of late, there's been a flavor to your posts (true of us all) that flavors my interpretation of the above. I'll try to be more single-post oriented.
The taste for oil is addictive. Lenin had it right when he said "When we're ready to hang the last capitalist he'll sell us the rope!"
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I just have in my mind a list of western "leaders", following 9/11
They started doing stupid sh|t LONG before 9/11.
And why would they say "don't blame all the muslims for the acts of a few radicals", yet turn right around and say "let's blame all gun owners for the acts of a few crazies".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I've a long gun. A few extra clips, too, but only eight rounds/each.
Your reply is very much in character - turning to the guns. That's OK as it's important to you. The questions is, at least implicitly, is gun control punishment?
Years ago, in Chicago, I bought a revolver. There was a three-day waiting period before I could pick it up. That, I feel, is a good thing: no one should need a gun "NOW!". If you don't cool off in three days you'd find some way to do something, anyway. For a normal purchaser, it's not problem. But how far should this go?
Background checks are pointless if there's a legal loophole. Similarly, not allowing ownership of every type of available weapon is not a unconstitutional burden on honest people. I really wouldn't want a lot of people I know to have an RPG at their disposal. Imagine the fun during road-rage!
But, if you concede that there should be some limitations on weapons available to the public (just think how stupid users of your applications are and you know why), you have to decide where that line is. That is (should be) the real discussion. In at least two other countries (Canada, Israel), gun possession/ownership exceeds that of the USA, per capita, so it's not the guns. It's the owners.
And that's the problem. No one running for office has proposed 'taking your guns away' - that's not in the power of any president.
The thing is, there are two problems.
(1) People who want regulations without thinking them through.
(2) People who want to prevent any regulations without thinking it through
Get rid of the above two problems and good gun laws could be made that protect OUR rights and still manage to prevent the ease of creating disasters. But this requires thinking and so the fight will continue and the body count will, as well.
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Horribly, I had foreseen this method of attack over a decade ago - only it was executed in the form of a coordinated effort (rental trucks all over a country, small towns and large, creating serious nation-wide fear). Probably this is already on the horizon.
There are others such possibilities - but like the above, I do not 'share' lest I plant a seed in someones mind.
The driver is dead (I'm waiting for the Swiss minister of foreign affairs to call this an extra-judicial execution). They'll find another - or, noting the success, a small army of them.
The real question for the West is - what needs to be done to motivate them to stop killing innocent people at random. Then, don't blink . . . just do it.
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: The real question for the West is - what needs to be done to motivate them to stop killing innocent people at random.
When you find out who the perpetrator is, find every member of his/her family, and kill them all - loudly and with prejudice. I know, then you're lowering yourself to their level blah-f*ckin-blah-blah... Well, life is a sh|t sandwich, and as long as you're having dinner, you should share what's on your plate with those that would do you harm.
It's time to stop being politically-correct lib-tard snowflakes that believe hugs, kisses, and understanding are the solution to this problem.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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