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SET RANT ON
I have been searching for MONTHS on how to host SignalR in IIS. I don't want to know how to set up the server side component.. I want to HOST it in IIS. I spent 5 more hours today Googling and trying examples... Wasted day.
SignalR seems to be MS's new web hosting technology, and it's promising. It seems to be exactly what I'm looking for... but it means nothing if I can't host it.
Now there are LOTS of example of Self Hosting (Run in a console app on your DEV pc), and even fewer examples of hosting in a Win Service. Yet for the life of me I can't find a single example of HOW THE ELEPHANT DO YOU SET IT UP IN IIS!!!
This is the reason why I'm usually turned of about web programming.. There are way too many technologies to deal with. With Windows I can code, copy & paste the EXE, and VOILA!! It runs. I know it's not quite that simple, but you get the idea.
Isn't it time for the industry leaders (MS, Apple, etc) to make things EASIER instead of progressively harder? It's days like this that make me wanna hang up my keyboard and retire.
SET RANT OFF
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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While I am almost certain you have already perused this: [^], I'll mention it ... just in case.
Commiseration is ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Ya, I saw it.. Right before I saw this[^]
On that page there are the 3 methods I already mentioned.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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I hate to say that the answer to this appears to be not only aggravatingly simple, but also on SO[^].
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Listen, this is a perfect time, and example, of when to fork out the $$ and call Microsoft for help. If this means that much to you and your operation/project, complaining here, with no other action on your part, is not going to solve your problem...not that we don't like hearing about your issues. J/K.
Food for thought.
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Kevin Marois wrote: SignalR seems to be MS's new web hosting technology
Huh? I thought SignalR was simply a web socket technology that MS finally started to support so that a server could tell the client Javascript that something has changed.
And of course, the irony is, that web sockets in .NET aren't supported on Windows 7, so you have to go find someone that has implemented it if you want to use it in non-Javascript clients. I use this[^].
Kevin Marois wrote: I want to HOST it in IIS
Lord, why? I've found IIS to be an interesting experience. Different versions, different control panels. A straight forward setup on one machine totally fubars on another. etc.
I got annoyed enough with the constant changes to MS web tech (ASP.NET, Razor, EF, MVC, MVVM, whatever), that nowadays, I just use my own web server implementation. Of course, that doesn't usually fly in a corporate environment where the edict (and familiarity) is with MS tooling, but for my own stuff, I am happy to live in my alternate universe.
Marc
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Kevin Marois wrote: Yet for the life of me I can't find a single example of HOW THE ELEPHANT DO YOU SET IT UP IN IIS!!!
So you didn't get anywhere with the example[^] I linked to two weeks ago[^]?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Hmm. Something about how destructive human beings are comes to mind.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: how destructive AWESOME! human beings are
Except that they're not 
But how is such a blast not awesome?
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Michael Bay would be proud
What's the music though? Shazam doesn't recognize it 
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Just awesome.[^]
Kudos to those construction workers!
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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"Jason Haney ... built an 8-foot tall Waldo from the famous "Where's Waldo?" books"
Well, I'm sure the people who wrote the books are very happy that this philistine shreds them to make papier mâché figures.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I suspect that's "built an 8-foot tall (Waldo from the famous "Where's Waldo?" books)", not "built (an 8-foot tall Waldo) [out of] the famous "Where's Waldo?" books". 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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When your email service, that handles emailing you exceptions, itself throws an exception...
Which is then caught by the message processor, that then tries to email you a notification that your application threw an exception...
By queuing an exception message...
Which gets dequeued on a separate thread...
And the whole process repeats itself.
Marc
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I ran into that myself about a year and a half ago. You find out the hard way that your email notification code better be rock-f***in'-solid before you launch the site.
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I thought it was just me! 
I ended up putting the error log to a DB, with a delayed bulk email at intervals to prevent locking it all up with error reports... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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We ended up doing the same thing. We don't get email notifications for every brain fart the site runs into, just the most severe.
I really have to overhaul the email system anyway. There's a ton of notification subscriptions the system supports as well as site errors. In the overhaul I'm going to split out the site errors from everything else and handle it with a different, very simple, subsystem. The remaining subscription emails will be handled by message queuing and an email system running as its own process.
I wish I had the time to do it that way before launch but we had to launch the site 6 months earlier than planned.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: You find out the hard way that your email notification code better be rock-f***in'-solid before you launch the site.
Yeah, and with the vagaries of the email server, the only way to really do that is wrap the whole thing in a try-catch that handles its own errors -- I have a UDP message to PaperTrailApp for those super critical help help help! problems. 
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: PaperTrailApp
Huh? Wha'dat?
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It looks cool, though it appears to be cloud-based logging and aggregation?
Damn it!  I can't use it. Security would throw an epic temper tantrum.
It took SIX MONTHS of thrashing those guys to get authorization to have a 3rd-party stand up TWO SERVERS in Azure to be managed by that company and we would install a client app on a dozen machines that connects to them and feeds them data all day for analysis. And that wasn't even HIPPA regulated nor business critical stuff either!
They're heads would explode if I showed them this thing.
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Exceptionception!
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I was hoping (and still am) that this was going to be a 'well, ironically, having made an attempt at writing a HAL in Python, the kiddies have discovered that they can't do it, and have come to me cap in hand to help them'
I LIVE for that post, Marc
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Garth J Lancaster wrote: having made an attempt at writing a HAL in Python, the kiddies have discovered that they can't do it, and have come to me cap in hand to help them'
First part happened, second part has not.
Now they're writing it in F#, because one of the kiddies as a Haskell background.
The irony here is:
1) very few people actually know F#, so the code will undoubtedly be thrown away by the next iteration of kiddies, if not sooner.
2) it's like reading imperative code with match statements instead of switch and type instead of enum, and everything is mutable.
3) FP is just the wrong approach for this kind of work because you're dealing with a lot of struct stuff for the hardware, a lot of mutable data from the I/O, and possibly the need to maintain some sort of state information, like is the hardware up or down since the last time we checked.
4) from what I've seen so far, no logging, no exception handling, no modularity, and a lot of hard coded constants and strings, but hey, "we're ahead of schedule!" is pronounced loudly and proudly at every stand up.
I write better prototype code.
Marc
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