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So my dad had a "sharp" PC in the eigthies. It didn't have a HD yet and you boothed by locking a 5.25" floppy disk in to drive A. You could use another floppy on drive B to work on.
This thing had a text editor where you had to move the cursor by pressing ctrl and a key combination. This was for moving up and down, put in edit mode, remove letters, words or lines etc ...
And today I accidently ran into VIM  .
I knew this still exists and it is still used BY DEFAULT on linux systems. But really, nothing better than VIM? So I was looking into using nano instead and on the internet people seem to actually PREFER vim! Anyways, I was very happy to edit my crontab in nano instead.
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I prefer Vim to EMACS because I find myself more comfortable in hitting a key, a string and enter than pressing long keyboard combinations, of difficult memorization.
nano is fairly good too but once used to Vim it loses appeal. Of course if you have the window manager started there are better alternatives, gedit is one of my favourite under Linux.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Hey, I didn't give him permission to use my forum post!
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I used to use emacs a lot, and found that once you got used to the key combinations it improved your digital dexterity by a factor of 3 fingers and a thumb.
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I've never used vim, but I started out coding in vi.
At first, it was horrible to use and utterly counter-intuitive. For example, "L" moves right, for crying out loud! It made me wonder just how much acid Kernighan, Richie and co. were doing back in the day.
After a couple of months, though, as I got more familiar with it and learned more about combining it with the magic of "ex" I started thinking "this is actually pretty cool". After a couple of years, I was absolutely, head-over-heels in love with it.
By the time I'd drifted into Windows development, I found myself pining for vi on a daily basis. It was the best damned text editor that I could imagine and nothing would ever come close to the old magic. I missed it like crazy for a good few years.
Nowadays, as it so often is with former lovers, I really can't imagine ever going back there.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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PeejayAdams wrote: For example, "L" moves right
It's WASD remapped on IJKL. I elephanting hate WASD and use the arrows but some keyboard didn't have those in the past (and now they are returning like bad dreams).
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Same here. Strange how one still has an urge to go back there and have another go.
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The first proper editor we used in our development team was MultiEdit which at the time was miraculous. One of my colleagues, who worked on Unix systems as well as DOS systems, asked me if there was a version for Unix as he found it a pain switching between MultiEdit and Vi. I told him I couldn't get him Multiedit for Unix, but could get him Vi for DOS! He nearly punched me.
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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MultiEdit was awesome.
Now, where is my walker?
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PeejayAdams wrote: I really can't imagine ever going back there
Damned straight.
I moved out of Unix and into ms quite early, so edlin was my most used text-editor/programming IDE (heh).
When I found that it was still included in XP, I just had to have a go, for a few days. It didn't take long for (most of) the finger-bending commands to come back, but it was so slow and arduous to work with!
I've paid for god-only knows how many TextPad licenses, and I always have NPP installed alongside it (better encoding support), and there's no way in the world I would wish to go back to "the old ways".
And anyone who'd give up intellisense must be out of his mind.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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"anecdote"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Yes, but the keystrokes "necd" open a new file and copy the binary content of your optical drive to it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Use the vim, V.!
Vim is really good, in my opinion.
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So you're that guy.
I've been wondering. Every time I type
visudo I die a little inside.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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If I in real need I use gedit... Never liked vim, but found that those are used to it can be very effective, probably not that bad after all...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It is well made, it has its philosophy. Once you get along with that you can become productive because of the quality of realization.
There has been a time where my X window wouldn't work and I had to spend a lot of time trying installations and configurations. No network so I was stuck with CD 1, 2 and 3 of the various installations, bought along the magazines. Choices were EMACS and VIM... IMHO EMACS has a nice screen format, comfortable for an old user of MSDOS 5 edit but the commands are far too convoluted. With Vim basic operativity is faster to get, always IMHO.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I started out with TECO on a PDP-11, very similar I suspect.
But for most of my work with OpenVMS I used -- and still use -- EDT, which is still a very simple editor. I have several macros defined that help me do things.
All proper editors have a line mode. 
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V. wrote:
This thing had a text editor where you had to move the cursor by pressing ctrl and a key combination. This was for moving up and down, put in edit mode, remove letters, words or lines etc ...
If you ever used a typewriter you would understand what an amazing device this was..
V. wrote: And today I accidently ran into VIM
I think I might have an old typewriter I can send you. 
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Mike Hankey wrote: If you ever used a typewriter you would understand what an amazing device this was.
Tell me about it.
I spent so much of my life with a blue pencil in hand that I literally ran to the hardware shop (there weren't any computer shops, at the time) to buy one of those new-fangled difference-engine thingies, the day I learned of text editors.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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My first job my boss had me take a luggable (KayPro was the name, I think?) to Mexico on a job I was doing so I could write reports. I hated the damn thing and never used it, as I had told him I wouldn't...as I remember it weighed about 35lbs, but it was an amazing device for the time.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Movie Quote Of The Day
Quote: Women are a labyrinth, my friend.
Which movie?
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The inside Job
Rules for the FOSW ![ ^]
if(this.signature != "")
{
MessageBox.Show("This is my signature: " + Environment.NewLine + signature);
}
else
{
MessageBox.Show("404-Signature not found");
}
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How did you got my marriage video!!!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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