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ClockMeister wrote: I'm still using the 2008 version of all this so maybe they've added some bloat in more recent versions.
I remember 2008 was fairly speedy, though I kept getting annoyed at the rendering time of the pages even then because of the template engine.
On the other hand, I'm using the new and shiny VS2017! Haven't tried VS2008, which I think is installed somewhere, but certainly not on the office machine -- my only other option in VS2015.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Hey Marc,
I've got VS2017 in a Windows 10 VM (neither of which I do anything but fiddle with). I do some coding in VS2010 (C# & VB.Net) but for my own stuff I stick with VS2008/Active Reports 6/SQL Server (2008->2014). Most of my work is desktop / back end stuff and a spattering of ASP.Net - I really don't have any reason to upgrade my tools (especially since I pay for them myself). The output from my 2008 released stuff works on everything from XP on up through 10 - I just don't see any point in spending coin for upgrades to something that does the job just fine.
The bottom line here is, basically, "If it ain't broke, why fix it?" 
 Olde Country Programmer (Clockmeister)
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I'm sure you know your setup but it sounds like you need either a reloading of your system or you need to disable some sort of scanning software. I've done so with my stuff (almost exactly the same specs as yours) and I have great load times.
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kristopher.baker wrote: I'm sure you know your setup but it sounds like you need either a reloading of your system or you need to disable some sort of scanning software. I've done so with my stuff (almost exactly the same specs as yours) and I have great load times.
Can't. This is a company computer, and it's loaded with all sorts of BS scanners, admin alert crap, etc. Heck, they're probably watching me remotely without my knowing right now!
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Appreciate your need to rant, since we've all been there and it's probably quite cathartic.
Ideally you wouldn't need to have cycles of starting web pages to test your serverside code, it should be covered by a suite of unit tests that can be run without starting up the entire application.
Secondly I confirm what someone else mentioned here about trying more recent versions of ASP.Net / ASP.NET Core since it's designed to compete on performance with open source equivalents - part of this is creating a level playing field by allowing you turn off all the features that you don't want, allowing for a like for like comparison.
We sometimes don't realise how many things you get for free with ASP.Net / IIS... so if you don't want those features, turn them off... and make sure you apply effective testing practices to streamline your development.
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srcard wrote: it should be covered by a suite of unit tests that can be run without starting up the entire application.
Quite true, except that having hardly ever used Razor, I just wanted to verify that the parameters were coming in correctly from the AJAX POST handler. But I totally agree, anything "real" should be unit testing.
srcard wrote: so if you don't want those features, turn them off.
I'll poke around, I certainly don't need much for local build testing -- just serve the darn page!
Marc
Latest Article - Merkle Trees
Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Use the "built-in" IIS Express server for testing?
[Project | Web | Servers | Express vs local etc]
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Use the "built-in" IIS Express server for testing?
Hah, I forgot about that. Will give it a try (If it's not doing it already, I think it might be.)
Marc
Latest Article - Merkle Trees
Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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I rarely feel a need to comment but I had to jump in on this one. Please understand, I am not excusing Microsoft and Visual Studio does have some problems and flaws. In this case though, I doubt Visual Studio/Microsoft is the complete problem.
You are correct about some delay, it should be about 1 to 10 seconds and no more, and that is on my development machine. The machine is running 16G ram with a quad core processor at 3.6G. That is my work dev machine. My home dev machine is about half that and is at least 6 years old. My home dev machine has the same delay time. The problem I suspect you are encountering is with where you working directory is located. I used to encounter this problem when the default working directory is set to a location that is, in reality, a networked drive. This is a common habit at most work location as the average use is set so their personal working folders go to a networked drive where it is backed up into the corporate backup. At least in my experience that is common and how most work computers are set. When you do this with Visual Studio, which uses the default Documents folder, for its default working directory you end up compiling all of your resources across a network and through a network drive. I have, and I mean for years, found I get your exact same problems whenever this is the situation. As such, I moved my working directory to the local hard drive and the problems go away.
My standard when I set up a development machine is I move all my development to C:\Development for a folder name. Within that folder I have the year of Visual Studio I am using, i.e. 2012, 2015, 2017 or whatever, than each project in the year. It is easier to organize locally and easier to find everything. If your problem is what I think it is, than it should also eliminate the really slow drag you are seeing and the false starts. Like I said, this is just what I suspect is the problem but it is what I usually run into. I am also not excusing Microsoft. It is a really stupid problem to have and it shouldn't be an issue but it does seem to be. Try moving where the applications are for just one, as a test, and you can see if it is worth changing all of the settings in the option menu.
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VS 2017 is a lot faster - if you're on 2015, I think you can upgrade and still work with projects created in 2015.
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I get the following configured
use a Local IIS, not Express
disable Browser Link
no need to have it running in debug to View the web site
If Server changes (cs, controllers) - then build and will take a few seconds for IIS to re load site
If only client side (cshtml, javascipt, css, html) changes - no need to build. Simply Save file, refresh web page, done.
I use chrome - in dev tool network tab, make sure disable cache is on, else that refresh page might not get the changes.
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Sounds like you got System's problems that have nothing to do with visual studio. If the company is encrypting a non-SSD hard drive it will make the system unusable. Virus scanners in network protection will also cause problems. You may also want to check for a proxy server. If none of these suggestions Help, I suggest getting another machine and do a clean install of windows and visual studio and start from there. Do not let your ops people do this as they will install all the security crap and hard drive and encryption that will make machine unusable. alSo keep the machine off the domain.Try loading up your hello world site then and see where you are. This is the only way to isolate whether the problem is something with your solution for a problem with the way your machines are built and configured.
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I know you said you were completely local on your project but a mention for something I learned, in case it exists: any references to dlls in your project that point to a network location actually slowed things down way more than imagined. So, if you have some reusable libraries that are maybe out on a network share, that could help (to move locally).
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A few days ago they proposed removing messageboxes from javascript[^]. But a few minutes ago I got this popup[^] in Gmail.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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That's cutting edge fartificial intelligence!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Yup. Especially since it was a false positive.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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And I really thought that the extensive use of Klingon Battlecruisers[^] (plus the attempts to make them even more 'interesting', like in the linked article) are slowly restricted to VB 6 traditionalists zealots.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: attempts to make them even more 'interesting', like in the linked article
Jeeze, that is really Awful!
Avoiding mention that the "dialog" is actually a "window", or the fact that people don't just blindly dismiss message boxes, I don't think I could name one person who would be happy to be "treated" to such an "improvement".
Has he taken on a major role in ms development, since then? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I have found even better ideas, like having to answer three multiple choice questions about the message correctly to get the message box closed.
Message boxes are ok, but only if they have something really important to bring to the user's attention. Everything else is just annoying and should be shot down like the Klingon battlecruiser, right when it decloaks and before it can raise its shields. The simplest way to avoid the entire problem is to earn the user's trust that any interruption will be important.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Just because they are suggesting we move away from a technology does not mean they have to have done it everywhere first, does it?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Wu mao well earned!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Do cows go to the moovies?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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You deserve a pat on the head, for that one.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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What's a cow orker to do at this time of the year?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Woold sheep go to baars?
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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