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Munchies_Matt wrote: Why were US losses so much higher?
They showed up?
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Another single answer among all the others would be Heinrich Severloh.
But all in all, there were many reasons working together.
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raddevus cites an excellent article. Mind you, the Allies had spent months spoofing the Germans. In fact, most of the serious combat forces were up in Calais where Adolf was convinced the invasion would target. Oops.
At that point, it comes down to where the Germans were, and it happened to be Omaha beach. Other American landings were lightly opposed.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Not much mention of it here.. almost like it didn't happen. Weird how we seem to overlook so much of the positives from our history in the UK.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I suspect there'll be much more coverage in 2019 for the 75th anniversary.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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You would hope so.. I lived in Russia for a couple of years (worked for a Russian software company) and it was surprising to see how much the commemorate May the 9th.
There's certainly a lot of pride in their efforts against the German army - unfortunately the public aren't really informed about Russian involvement from '39-'41 and the occupation of eastern Europe in the subsequent years.
Conversely, we just seem to dismiss it these days (perhaps in case it offends any of our 'friends' in the EU). One lesson I gleamed from my Russian experience is that if you don't treasure your history, eventually you end up losing it.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I don't think it's for fear of offending anyone.
We have a sod of a lot of history and every day to be the anniversary of something. It's kind of natural that things in recent times get commemorated annually whereas things a long time ago get commemorated every 100 years. Events in-between tend to get the round-figures treatment.
I see nothing sinister in that.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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PeejayAdams wrote: I don't think it's for fear of offending anyone.
You would not believe the amount of things that are being done totally wrong just for that reason (a.k.a. political correctness)
M.D.V. 
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You say that like it's a new thing.
From The Iliad through the Bayeaux Tapestry to the alt.right Holocaust deniers of today, people have always told lies about history.
It's been fake news all the way ever since they invented priests and politicians.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Not on this scale.. and I don't really think that's a good enough excuse for turning a blind eye to it in this day and age.
I guess as long as it fits the liberal, progressive agenda, any sacrifice - our history, culture, traditions, values, way of life, freedom, security, peace of mind - is worth it.
Only it isn't.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Yes, sure, every lie ever told has been told by the nasty, evil liberal elite, whoever they might be.
Have you ever stopped to ask yourself who else might be telling porkies?
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Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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I would answer that in detail but Great Cthulhu's coming round for tea, so I'll just ask you a very simple question: do you really not see that ALL politicians tell lies?
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PeejayAdams wrote: I'll just ask you a very simple question: do you really not see that ALL politicians tell lies?
Everyone tells lies to some degree.. I guess it all comes down to the end purpose.
Some will lie for what they believe to be good for others, while other lie for what's good for themselves.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Indeed - and whatever the motivation, the end result is the same.
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PeejayAdams wrote: Indeed - and whatever the motivation, the end result is the same.
Not quite.. compare leaders like Churchill and Stalin.. very different outcomes to our corresponding countries.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Stalin was a grand-master with the airbrush and would be more effectively compared with Hitler who was also rather fond of rewriting the truth. Stalin was primarily motivated by ego, Hitler by a deranged ideology. Both were lying b******s who killed millions of innocent people - different motives, very similar results.
Churchill was, of course, a historian and not a man given to willful revisionism.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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And at the same time - under Churchill's leadership - the British public were also lied to..
So What Really Happened to our Railings?
One of many times, but all done with the aim of defending the country, winning the war and protecting our futures.. Lies, in fact, were essential to the war effort.
Different motives, different results..
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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The world isn't black and white and that's why it's better run by pragmatists rather than extremists. Churchill had the subtlety of mind to know when to do the right thing by doing the "wrong" thing - sadly, it's a very rare gift.
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It's not pragmatists that decided to overthrow governments in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine.. and tried to in Syria.
Not that I'm a fan of any of their governments at the time, but a pragmatist would understand that you can't just go around toppling governments without consequences.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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100% agree with that. It was the notion that a "one size fits all" democracy would suit the entire planet that has led to a lot of the current crises in the Middle East and North Africa.
The whole idea of "regime change" is simplistic and incomplete: Get rid of a tyrant - great! What happens next? Ah, we hadn't thought about that little details like that ...
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