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OriginalGriff wrote: Does this happen to anyone else, or is it just me?
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OriginalGriff wrote: I have difficulty getting it to remember phone numbers and dates,
As an experiment, when trying to memorize something particularly abstract like a phone number, try doing some simple physical movement for a minute or so -- foot stomping, clapping to the pattern of the number, whatever, and see how that affects your ability to remember the number later.
OriginalGriff wrote: faces and names
I find this harder -- my visual memory is weird. I can recognize a face, but I can't describe a face. For me, I realized it's a lack of deep observation -- hair color and style, eye color, the line of the cheek and jaw bones, etc. Same with names -- when I took a Dale Carnegie class on How to Win Friends and Influence People it really helped to associate the name with another mnemonic (where did the spelling of that word come from???) as well as a physical activity.
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This is also sideways related to a thing called The Memory Palace or Method of loci - Wikipedia[^] .
Isn't it interesting that you can remember how to walk through a house you lived in as a child and many buildings you may have visited even though it may have been 20 years ago since you were there.
For some reason our minds do memorize spatially.
The Memory Palace system uses this fact as a way to store things you want to remember.
I've listened to hundreds of books as I commute. There are times when I turn a corner or come to a particular intersection and a part of a specific book I listened to 10 years ago come back to mind.
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I read about the movement thing too, and I totally 110% agree. We need to remember that as adults too though, lest we get too sedentary.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: We need to remember that as adults too though, lest we get too sedentary
Indeed. Yet another reason why I run/bike/lift. I've watched too many family members suffer through "golden years" made miserable by arthritis and constraints from heart disease and diabetes.
The rule is simple: the more you move, the more you will be able to move, and the longer you will continue moving.
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Jeremy Falcon
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OriginalGriff wrote: I have difficulty getting it to remember phone numbers and dates, faces and names, but it happily stores complete GPS info for a road I rode on maybe 7 or 14 times 20 years ago?
You remember what is important to _you_.
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I think it's everyone. Human memory tends to work in conjunction with emotion. As to say, the things we are most emotional about tend to burn in our memories. It's typically why most women remember tiny details about the relationship that guys forget... because they are more emotional about it. There's too much information these days, so I think as a whole we've learned to ignore crap that's not necessary. But if you think about the stuff you recall the most in the past, $20 says there's some emotional attachment to it. I'm guessing this emotion was joy... the brain remembers man. I think emotions are our way of accessing it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Sidetracking:
OriginalGriff wrote: feel the weight of a chain mail shirt.
I've tried one of those, and was really surprised how lightweight it feels once you have it properly on. It is so flexible that it distributes its weight more or less evenly over your entire shoulders, without pressing noticably anywhere.
On the main track:
Like others say: It happens all the time. What bothers me is that sometimes I recall some very specific smell, taste, color... from my childhood (in memory only, not because I encounter it again in real life), but cannot remember what had that smell, taste or color! There is no way to ask anyone else for help: If I could say "You know, like the smell of <x>", I would have had the answer. Some times, my head is buzzing with that taste / smell / color for hours, or even days, before it finally gives up (there is no way to forrcably stop it), or maybe conclude that "It probably was the taste of so-and-so".
I sometimes find it very tiresome when my head is busy searching memory for hours.
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Griff, I can get back to any place. I mean Any Place I have ever been completely from memory. I can right now tell you how to get to a secluded forest area in Northern California I have only been too once. But yes I cannot remember names at all.
Drives the misses nuts. but I find it fine.
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I was thinking about a similar issue some days ago. I find it surprising the fact that I remember many of my dreams. Not specially shocking nightmares, or dreams with high emotional content… For instance, I was taking a shower some days ago when a dream came to my mind in which I was alone waiting for the bus and nothing happend, just some seconds waiting for a bus. I had this dream maybe a decade ago or more. Then I tried to make a list of dreams I could remember, and many of them were as irrelevant than that.
I think once I read or heard somewhere that the brain considers the dreams equivalent to reality when trying to learn or get experience, a kind of sandbox. But I find it surprising that the brain stores such insignificant memories that are not even real.
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Did you go down that road to see how accurate your memory is? I can often see memories clearly like that, but then they turn out to be wrong/false memories.
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"On Intelligence" by Jeff Hawkins.
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Nature programmed our brain to remember vagueness (neurons structure). For example you would remember many years from now that you posted this message about memories, but you can't recall what you are actually saying in it. The same as you would remember the vagueness of the winding road, but can't recall specific numbers or faces. Same stuff as our infra-vision.
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This is simply due to evolution: remember routes was critical to survival in the days of yore, remembering phone numbers was not. The hippocampus is particularly important for route-learning.
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As far as I can tell the state of the art limits the AI to the application and interpretation of a suite of rules. If there is no rule (put in place by a designer/configurator) then your robot can't make the decision to implement a rule/action that has not been defined.
To date there is no creativity in AI, it is completely mechanical based on mathematical formula and weightages.
Once the AI can make the leap outside of the logical decision and make it's own rules then we may need to reconsider.
Caveat - I am working on the periphery of this field so my understanding is limited.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I am quite sure that we will never program a true AI in the traditional way. Evolutionary algorithms that configure networks of neural networks may do the trick. The problem is, that evolution only works if you have a large number of candidates. You would need to test them in a complex virtual reality, otherwise the AI would be trained to play Skyrim and of no use in the real world.
The whole process may actually take time on a similar scale as natural evolution does. As if mother nature had not provided us with ways to produce more monkeys than it is good for us.
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CodeWraith wrote:
I am quite sure that we will never program a true AI in the traditional way. |
I agree.. it's certainly not going to be created from silicon. The problem with AI is that to "appear" intelligent it needs to be able to do stupid things, just like the rest of us. It also needs to be able to make a decision out of two bad (undesirable) choices, just like we do.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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It will also have to learn quite a few things a computer has built in, like math. The AI resides in simulated neural nets and has no access to basic silicon functions. Everybody thinks that an AI will automatically be a math genius, but the real hardware would be busy emulating neural networks.
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Being intelligent it'll always have the option so refuse to do the math.. 
Now I wonder what vices it may acquire during its lifetime? 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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It will eventually resemble the real thing so much that it becomes indistinguishable. Even if movies are full of such things, I doubt that that really is what we want. We want something that is far smarter than the dumb algorithmic boxes we have, but not sentient. That may be a contradiction in itself.
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I know many humans (so-called natural intelligences) who are also incapable of making decisions without guiding rules. The only difference is the specificty of the rules...
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Very true, but the worst part is that they have been conditioned to behave that way by everyone from their parents, the teachers and their bosses. Where would we get if everyone started thinking instead of doing what they are told? 
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I used to have a boss like that - an avid skier, we forever hoped he'd ski directly at a tree as he'd have to hit it since he'd not be able to decide if right or left was the better option. 
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You can throw a ball and usually the dog will choose to fetch it,
but the dog can also choose to bite you - and nobody knows why.
This is a riddle AI has a chance of answering, after all the non-thinking animal is just a finite state automiton.
Coming up with a "thought of the day?" Pretty sure OG's not getting replaced any time soon because there's not a machine that can reach such states.
AI using it's rules can't build something that can't be built and so it also can't imagine it - the rules are fixed so it's simply impossible to imagine the impossible. - humans can.
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