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Quote: What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Considering how much people like to crap all over MS, it's amusing how convenient they make things, right? I used an IDE called DevC++ for the longest time because of a similar mindset. When I was forced to switch to VS I never looked back. It's just better. I guess I've been spoiled by convenience now too 
(Also it sounds weird in English to combine contractions like "I've" with prepositions like "to" in my opinion. I only mention it because when I was learning Japanese it was incredibly helpful to be corrected on the "technically correct but sounds weird" points.)
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Jon McKee wrote: "I've" with prepositions like "to" in my opinion
I've been using it, just because nobody else pointed it out to me.  Thanks for the tip! 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Vunic wrote: Php/Linux without intellisense
It seems you picked the wrong tool... Even before Visual Studio Code came to the neighborhood there were IDEs to support that...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Nah, it is a breeze. Just adapt. I went from using VS as an editor to linux and used Gedit. Instead of code browsing in VS I used Ctags
It is more fiddly, and less productive, but that is the world of linux!
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In a nutshell, Linux is like buying a box of legos and having to put crap together. MS tries to put together the legos for you. Different people prefer different stuff.
Jeremy Falcon
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I prefer working on WIndows though. Linux is like working in the 19th century. 
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Vunic wrote: These are pills that I've to CHEW everyday. Some of them are in Php/Linux without intellisense, Even a code review is painful.
While I feel your pain, you may wish to try an IDE besides vim. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Well - catholic priests went without women - and we know how that turned out.
So - as long as you choose correctly, spit-or-swallow as they say, you will cum to realize that although late in life, it's all for the better.
Until the bitter end.
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With apologies to R. Giskard Reventlov,
APOD: 2017 November 6 - A Dust Jet from the Surface of Comet 67P[^] I saw this and was awestruck, the sheer amount of engineering required to take a close-up photo of an actual jet from a comet, damn that's cool. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
modified 6-Nov-17 15:08pm.
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This is the first time I have seen an up-close picture of a comet. I did not know that some were large enough with enough gravity gravity to have boulders and sand (or what appears to be) on their surface. Wow.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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jeron1 wrote: With apologies to R. Giskard Reventlov,
Appreciated but not required - I only post deep space images.
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I took a job with a company with what at the time they called a "Lucrative compensation package". This "package" included $14k in restricted stock and a 10% bonus. At the time the stock was 12.50 a share and rising, and they expected to pay the full bonus. A 10% bonus would have been more than $15K.
Here it is a year later and the stock has tanked and is now at 3% and falling, and employees are now only getting a fraction of their bonus. The company's last quarter revenue isn't what they projected due poor sales. They expect employees to get 60% of their bonus, so that would be about 6%.
While I know you can't predict the future, they made the offer in good faith and I accepted with the understanding that the stock had real value and that I would get a 10% bonus. I took a cut in pay coming here because the "package" seemed to have value, and the company does have very good benefits.
For the last 10-15 years I've been a contractor. I haven't been a FT employee and therefore haven't had stock options and bonuses, so this is all new to me. I've been here a year now and I like the job and the people I work with.
My compensation is now 15-20% less than what I signed on for, or about 25K less. Should I stay and hope it turns around or leave now before it gets worse?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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You took a risk. It didn't pay off. Such is life.
If you think the company will turn around stay. If not, leave.
The difference between being a contractor and a permie is that a contractor knows when the job will end, a permie is always hoping it won't.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: You took a risk. It didn't pay off. Such is life.
Boom! 
Jeremy Falcon
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Never count your chickens before they hatch.
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I've never had the option of bonuses...
...but I have received a pay cut due to the company not making profits. It was 5%, but even then it was frustrating. Not enough to make me 'have to leave', and so I didn't. I stuck it out, and was loyal. Then many months later, after surviving about 4 rounds of layoffs... the business closed, and I had no job.
My personal recommendation: start discretely looking now. They have until you get a better offer to turn things around. If they do indeed turn around, you can always choose to stay. If they don't turn it around, there is no need to be satisfied with a hope that cannot be fulfilled.
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Pualee wrote: My personal recommendation: start discretely looking now. They have until you get a better offer to turn things around. If they do indeed turn around, you can always choose to stay. If they don't turn it around, there is no need to be satisfied with a hope that cannot be fulfilled.
This thread has a lot of good advice, but this one is the best.
I know far too many people who stayed with a tanking company and lost -- those that bailed early got their final paycheck plus any payments for accumulated vacation. Those that didn't ... didn't.
Something I heard my dad say fairly often: "It's easier to find a job while you already have one."
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That really depends on the company. A strong company that had bad year is one thing but a weak company that is circling the drain is another. If I knew what company you are talking about, I could pull up some market analysis on them for you.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Should've read this post first, but you pretty much took my answer. Good points of course.
Jeremy Falcon
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If you're going to concern yourself with the stock market indirectly like that, Warren Buffet recommends not worrying about the stock price and look at the company. So the question is, do you believe this company will survive... yes or no?
Jeremy Falcon
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I am kind of curious what company he works at. I've got my investment portal open and some cursory research (with evidence at hand) pulls up some close candidates...none of them are companies that I would invest my hard-earned money in.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Yeah totally. Buy low, sell high... ya know. Not sure if he'll mention it over CP, but it's always worth a direct message or three.
I'd be curious to know what you find out.
Jeremy Falcon
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Pulled up the OP's company data. Company has not been profitable and relies on outside investment to fund daily operations and R&D. Revenues have declined the last 3 quarters straight. Prospects for a breakout are small and several Wall Street firms downgraded the stock to Market Perform. Additionally, several prominent law firms are launching investigations as of Nov 03. Informed OP that, IMHO, that it might be wise to find employment elsewhere.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Foothill wrote: wise to find employment elsewhere.
Based on your facts and figures, yes, absolutely. 
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