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Gerry Schmitz8-Dec-17 8:34

Gerry Schmitz

8-Dec-17 8:34

Will we have "minimum wage" robots?

Do all robots, regardless of task, get paid the same wage?

Will there be robot unions?

I suspect there will be activities for a given robot (on duty) that are "too hazardess" (e.g. EMPs), and we will need to send in humans.

"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal

jschell8-Dec-17 12:43

jschell

8-Dec-17 12:43

Gerry Schmitz wrote:
Will we have "minimum wage" robots?

Like I said there are many problems with the original supposition and no way to defend them. It wasn't my suggestion and I am not going to attempt to defend what I consider utter fantasy in many different ways in the first place.

Gerry Schmitz8-Dec-17 14:52

Gerry Schmitz

8-Dec-17 14:52

Got the sense some thought this was a good idea; the start of another "grand plan". Note that it always involves having to do "less work".

The final nail should be that the "energy" to create all these robots could feed untold numbers. Humans are cheaper in the long run and more recyclable; keeping "busy" will keep them out of trouble.

"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal

jschell11-Dec-17 6:03

jschell

11-Dec-17 6:03

Gerry Schmitz wrote:
Got the sense some thought this was a good idea; the start of another "grand plan"

Without re-reading the entire thread, my impression was that only the OP thought it was a realistic possibility.

I considered it nonsense when I read it.

sasadler5-Dec-17 4:08

sasadler

5-Dec-17 4:08

So....what happens if/when the robots become sentient?

Munchies_Matt5-Dec-17 4:22

5-Dec-17 4:22

I dont think a machine can ever become sentient.

Member 81020065-Dec-17 5:08

Member 8102006

5-Dec-17 5:08

So? Then what?

We can all live, behave, and look-like Jabba the Hutt, with our drink serving droids providing for our every need?

Guess we'll also be entertained like Jabba - watching other being tortured?

Doesn't sound too attractive to me...

Munchies_Matt5-Dec-17 5:13

5-Dec-17 5:13

Member 8102006 wrote:
We can all live, behave, and look-like Jabba the Hutt, with our drink serving droids providing for our every need?

If you like.

Or you can go for walks, play tennis, golf. Go sailing.

Your choice. But you will have the time to do whatever you like.

SeattleC++5-Dec-17 8:45

SeattleC++

5-Dec-17 8:45

You didn't account for a single very important question. With government already in the pockets of industry, why would the owners of robots ever allow such a tax to be levied? Wouldn't they be happier and richer if they kept all the money?

Let me paint you a different future scenario. People work like slaves at horrifying low-wage jobs for 40 years to make enough money to purchase a robot. They lease this robot to a manufacturer to make profitable things, living off the income produced by this lease. Leasees have little incentive (beyond their contract) to care for the leased robots, so sometimes they are used harshly, destroying a lifetime of work for some squishy human. If newer, better robots come out, the value of the older robot is degraded, causing an income shortfall for the lessor.

In the end, robots become a more desirable workforce than humans for all types of jobs, and only families who own a robot on that day can make enough money to feed themselves. The remaining humans live a Mad-Max life in unwanted wasteland, trying to grow or forage enough calories to survive day-to-day. They turn to crime, dry-gulching robots and stripping them for parts to make other robots. Just as happened with the Luddites, the government makes disassembling a robot a capital offense. Now robots are people too, and just in time, as they gradually become self-aware.

Now societies of robots form businesses that go into competition with human-controlled businesses, and compete for resources with human-controlled businesses, driving up prices. This is the end for wild humans, and the beginning of the end for human-run businesses. Human activity is now fully superfluous everywhere. AIs controlled by the robots evolve faster than AIs controlled by humans, and outthink them.

If we're very lucky, the robots won't decide to exterminate us, but will set up a reservation for the human remnants, something like Madagascar or Austrailia: something without many valuable resources.

I wonder if the last Neandertal observed those tall-walking, gracile homo sapiens and was proud of his successors. Or was he bitter and disillusioned for having invited them into his villages and caves, only to be out-competed and out-smarted.

Munchies_Matt5-Dec-17 21:46

5-Dec-17 21:46

You have much imagination! Smile | :)

Mark H25-Dec-17 17:16

Mark H2

5-Dec-17 17:16

And computers were supposed to give us more leisure time as well... Smile | :)

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Munchies_Matt5-Dec-17 21:44

5-Dec-17 21:44

Mark H2 wrote:
And computers were supposed to give us more leisure time as well

Says the guy using a computer while he is supposed to be working. Smile | :)

Mark H211-Dec-17 13:42

Mark H2

11-Dec-17 13:42

But I was "working" at home that day, honest Big Grin | :-D

CCC 4/12/17 - SOLVED

PeejayAdams3-Dec-17 23:04

PeejayAdams

3-Dec-17 23:04

Down in perfect time? (7)

98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

modified 4-Dec-17 6:14am.

Re: CCC 4/12/17

Mel Padden4-Dec-17 0:10

Mel Padden

4-Dec-17 0:10

Plumage?

One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

Re: CCC 4/12/17

PeejayAdams4-Dec-17 0:14

PeejayAdams

4-Dec-17 0:14

Plumage it is (cue a million or so "Dead Parrot" posts)

Perfect = PLUM
Time = AGE
Down = PLUMAGE

98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Re: CCC 4/12/17

OriginalGriff4-Dec-17 0:20

OriginalGriff

4-Dec-17 0:20

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Nagy Vilmos3-Dec-17 22:53

Nagy Vilmos

3-Dec-17 22:53

Actually any bloody home!

We've got a mad immigrant living in a cage in our living room. The wife and girls felt sorry for him so they took him in, providing food and lodgings in return for light duties around the house.

Over the last week he's started shouting all bloody night. When it starts I go downstairs and give him a good slap and tell him to stop. Does he? Does he heck! Last night he has screaming until 4:30. If this doesn't stop soon, I'm going to have to take drastic action, maybe even cut his nadgers off as we think he's trying to attract the girls.

Thanks for asking. He's a German Shepherd / Rottweiler cross. The bitch - Shep - lived across the road from us in Africa, but she had a passionate fling with a local Rotty and was literally thrown out. She was living among the rubbish at the back of our villa and had her litter. When they were about 10 days old, the bin men took her away with the pups they found. Two brothers survived and we took in one and our driver's brother the other. The Shadow, or Shadwell T. Dawg, is lovely but he wont stop this night time barking. I gotta sleep!

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den2k883-Dec-17 22:56

den2k88

3-Dec-17 22:56

How old is he? I clearly remember having to sleep with an arm out of the bed for a couple of months or my German Sheperd (she was called Lupa) would start crying and howling. She just needed an arm next to her...

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Pete O'Hanlon3-Dec-17 23:01

Pete O'Hanlon

3-Dec-17 23:01

den2k88 wrote:
She just needed an arm next to her...

Did it matter who the arm belonged to? Couldn't she just have brought one home with her and cuddled up to that?

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den2k883-Dec-17 23:05

den2k88

3-Dec-17 23:05

It didn't matter whom it was but it had to be a real, live person arm. I loved that dog.

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Nagy Vilmos3-Dec-17 23:01

Nagy Vilmos

3-Dec-17 23:01

The idiot is ten months old. He's been fine up until recently. We moved into our new house at the beginning of November and was great until about a week ago and it's getting stupid now.

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den2k883-Dec-17 23:07

den2k88

3-Dec-17 23:07

Yeah he's probably in heat. It's *Snip snip* time...

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Nagy Vilmos3-Dec-17 23:13

Nagy Vilmos

3-Dec-17 23:13

As he's a son of the desert, do you think two bricks will do? Laugh | :laugh:

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