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Ryan Peeden: in the future he'll be careful about how he treats you
And will be coming up with a carefully thought-out strategy to ensure that you and pesky little Mark atleast think twice before outmaneuvering him in the future. 
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Based purely on this anecdote, I think his manager made a valid observation. From HIS perspective, you are a limited resource and you are using up time of his resource in what may be unrelated to the latter's work. It's entirely possible his manager doesn't really care, but is reacting to a message given him by your manager or upper management.
More importantly, this was written to another person, not you. It's really none of your business. In addition, this isn't your "own time"; it's the company's time.
My advice: IF this looks like it's NOT going to blow up into a bigger issue, do nothing. Otherwise, go to the other guy's manager and say something like, "I heard you had concerns about the time I spent with X the other day. He was curious about integration and I felt that briefing him would be helpful to him and the company. I apologize for not clearing this with you first."
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Joe Woodbury wrote: More importantly, this was written to another person, not you. It's really none of your business.
Agreed.
Joe Woodbury wrote: I apologize for not clearing this with you first."
Oh god, I can't do that. I don't participate well in an arbitrary dictatorship where I have to seek permission before taking a sh*t.
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Do you know his home address?
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I hope Marc follows up on this one. I'm ready to take notes. 
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I would opt for a direct confrontation 
Clears the air as quickly as can, and as a pro he wouldn't be taking that personally. What would you prefer, if you were in the managers shoes?
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I believe you've got a lot of good advice here.
Apart from that, do you trust your own manager?
If you do it could be a good idea to ask for advice as he or she might know how the other manager is wired.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Apart from that, do you trust your own manager?
Mostly. My direct manager (who works under the manager of the other person) definitely goes into "circle the wagons" mode when encountering confrontational issues.
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My reaction would NOT be to write something in a forum somewhere on the internet. But I might be saying to myself, as long as I keep getting payed, I'll continue to do that job for which I recieve that pay.
You know the sermon, the one the judge always gives to the pool of prospective jurors that are down to a single room of badge bearers but it's so late in the day that he's got to let them go.
"Don't discuss the case with anyone, your kids, your wife, your dog, your mechanic, your butcher, your tailor, the guy down at the local hardware, the cashier at the bodega ..."
This is a swearing-in issue.
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RedDk wrote: My reaction would NOT be to write something in a forum somewhere on the internet.
But where else am I going to get good feedback? And if this post is discovered by said people (highly unlikely) I actually really don't care.
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I wouldn't mention anything to any managers in particular, but (and especially if the new hire is fairly inexperienced in comparison) have a chat with the new hire to reassure them that they hadn't been wasting your time & to pretty much ignore the email.
If something similar needs to happen in future, it may be wise to let the manager know in advance (in a let-me-know-if-you-don't-want-this-to-happen style email that he may well not even read in time).
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All communications are either an act of love, or a cry for help.
His was the latter. As a manager, ignore it and move on. In our world, we have our #1 rule:
It's About People.
If you violate that rule (by treating people poorly), YOU won't be happy.
I had a manager write up an employee who left her cubicle, went to the managers glass office, and took a DOCTORS call about a lab result that needed to be handled in private. She worked with mostly men around her. I think it was perfectly reasonable, everyone said it was a few minutes, and she locked the office back up.
Clearly violating rule #1: It's About People.
When we forget that... Things end badly!
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Without skipping a beat I would have told him (for all to hear):
"I'm never too busy if it means I can help someone else get their job done when I'm also able to do mine".
(Other story)
When someone "over me" (contracting) blind sided me in a meeting, I told him afterwards not to "blind-side" me again and tell me beforehand what's on the agenda. He showed nothing but respect for me for years after and gave me excellent references.
(Two weeks ago I had someone removed which was my condition to do "phase 2"; another contract)
Know thy enemy (or friend); and thyself.
And timing is (almost) everything.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Marc works only 3 days a week so his time is very constrained and he eats that stuff up [refering to "integrations"] so he'll probably never tell you that he's too busy."
I gotta ask.. is that manager right? Is your time very constrained? Do you love that stuff to the point of being willing to take time out of your busy day to discuss it with coworkers? Have you ever given management the appearance that you've been distracted from your real work, even once, because you were helping others?
Maybe the manager is just trying to do good management by letting the new guy know that you're a resource, but one not to be abused, and is doing it in a way that isn't as tactful as we'd all like.
That said, like others suggested, letting the manager know that you got good value out of your time interacting with them as well, sounds like the right way to address this.
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patbob wrote: Maybe the manager is just trying to do good management by letting the new guy know that you're a resource, but one not to be abused, and is doing it in a way that isn't as tactful as we'd all like.
I suspect that is the case.
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Marc Clifton wrote: His manager, upon noticing the 2 hours we spent together
I hate being micromanaged. If a manager is checking up on staff that frequently then he's the one also wasting Company time, unless there is a real problem with a staff member.
Competent and reliable staff do not need heavy handed management and this should be the ultimate goal of any manager.
Good and reliable staff just need guidance or direction and freedom to get on with their job. My manager hasn't given me any guidance or direction for months now, as I know better than him on what needs doing and how to do my job. (Probably because I used to do his job, but gave it up because I got sick of being a manager.)
If you are working on a project that requires a lot of interaction then the manager should only need to help staff as a team leader and should be concentrating of clearing obstacles (politics or whatever) that impedes their workers efficiency or ability to do there job and get a successful project.
Ultimately what this means is the manager should be working for their staff to help them successfully do their jobs and get results, not the other way round. Too often managers forget this and are too concerned with their own ego trips or being anal about how staff should do their jobs and lose focus on what is really important.
As for your question. Ignore it, if the manager is really concerned they will raise it again. More likely they will have already forgotten about, as it was probably just a passing comment.
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A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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RossMW wrote: As for your question. Ignore it, if the manager is really concerned they will raise it again. More likely they will have already forgotten about, as it was probably just a passing comment.
Sound advice, though I think this guy records every transgression in a little black book. 
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Marc Clifton wrote: records every transgression in a little black book.
The worse kind of manager. Someone to avoid.
A Fine is a Tax for doing something wrong
A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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Quote: Do not allow babies or children go inside
the freezer drawer. They could damage the
refrigerator and seriously injure themselves.
Thank goodness I found that just in time. I was about to let my kid nap in there today. Phew! That was a close one.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Nice priorities as well: The refrigerator is more important than the kids! 
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Johnny J. wrote: The refrigerator is more important than the kids!
Exactly. So instead I'll let my kid nap in the oven because of the risk of damaging the freezer drawer.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Well the refrigerator can keep ![Beer | [beer]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) cool
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The kids arent under warranty from the manifacturer 
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You're looking at that all wrong.
One way or another, you need money to get yourself a refrigerator.
Making babies, on the other hand, is often engaged in by those with no money - perhaps because . . .
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