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RedDk wrote: My reaction would NOT be to write something in a forum somewhere on the internet.
But where else am I going to get good feedback? And if this post is discovered by said people (highly unlikely) I actually really don't care.
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I wouldn't mention anything to any managers in particular, but (and especially if the new hire is fairly inexperienced in comparison) have a chat with the new hire to reassure them that they hadn't been wasting your time & to pretty much ignore the email.
If something similar needs to happen in future, it may be wise to let the manager know in advance (in a let-me-know-if-you-don't-want-this-to-happen style email that he may well not even read in time).
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All communications are either an act of love, or a cry for help.
His was the latter. As a manager, ignore it and move on. In our world, we have our #1 rule:
It's About People.
If you violate that rule (by treating people poorly), YOU won't be happy.
I had a manager write up an employee who left her cubicle, went to the managers glass office, and took a DOCTORS call about a lab result that needed to be handled in private. She worked with mostly men around her. I think it was perfectly reasonable, everyone said it was a few minutes, and she locked the office back up.
Clearly violating rule #1: It's About People.
When we forget that... Things end badly!
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Without skipping a beat I would have told him (for all to hear):
"I'm never too busy if it means I can help someone else get their job done when I'm also able to do mine".
(Other story)
When someone "over me" (contracting) blind sided me in a meeting, I told him afterwards not to "blind-side" me again and tell me beforehand what's on the agenda. He showed nothing but respect for me for years after and gave me excellent references.
(Two weeks ago I had someone removed which was my condition to do "phase 2"; another contract)
Know thy enemy (or friend); and thyself.
And timing is (almost) everything.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Marc works only 3 days a week so his time is very constrained and he eats that stuff up [refering to "integrations"] so he'll probably never tell you that he's too busy."
I gotta ask.. is that manager right? Is your time very constrained? Do you love that stuff to the point of being willing to take time out of your busy day to discuss it with coworkers? Have you ever given management the appearance that you've been distracted from your real work, even once, because you were helping others?
Maybe the manager is just trying to do good management by letting the new guy know that you're a resource, but one not to be abused, and is doing it in a way that isn't as tactful as we'd all like.
That said, like others suggested, letting the manager know that you got good value out of your time interacting with them as well, sounds like the right way to address this.
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patbob wrote: Maybe the manager is just trying to do good management by letting the new guy know that you're a resource, but one not to be abused, and is doing it in a way that isn't as tactful as we'd all like.
I suspect that is the case.
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Marc Clifton wrote: His manager, upon noticing the 2 hours we spent together
I hate being micromanaged. If a manager is checking up on staff that frequently then he's the one also wasting Company time, unless there is a real problem with a staff member.
Competent and reliable staff do not need heavy handed management and this should be the ultimate goal of any manager.
Good and reliable staff just need guidance or direction and freedom to get on with their job. My manager hasn't given me any guidance or direction for months now, as I know better than him on what needs doing and how to do my job. (Probably because I used to do his job, but gave it up because I got sick of being a manager.)
If you are working on a project that requires a lot of interaction then the manager should only need to help staff as a team leader and should be concentrating of clearing obstacles (politics or whatever) that impedes their workers efficiency or ability to do there job and get a successful project.
Ultimately what this means is the manager should be working for their staff to help them successfully do their jobs and get results, not the other way round. Too often managers forget this and are too concerned with their own ego trips or being anal about how staff should do their jobs and lose focus on what is really important.
As for your question. Ignore it, if the manager is really concerned they will raise it again. More likely they will have already forgotten about, as it was probably just a passing comment.
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A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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RossMW wrote: As for your question. Ignore it, if the manager is really concerned they will raise it again. More likely they will have already forgotten about, as it was probably just a passing comment.
Sound advice, though I think this guy records every transgression in a little black book. 
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Marc Clifton wrote: records every transgression in a little black book.
The worse kind of manager. Someone to avoid.
A Fine is a Tax for doing something wrong
A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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Quote: Do not allow babies or children go inside
the freezer drawer. They could damage the
refrigerator and seriously injure themselves.
Thank goodness I found that just in time. I was about to let my kid nap in there today. Phew! That was a close one.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Nice priorities as well: The refrigerator is more important than the kids! 
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Johnny J. wrote: The refrigerator is more important than the kids!
Exactly. So instead I'll let my kid nap in the oven because of the risk of damaging the freezer drawer.
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Well the refrigerator can keep ![Beer | [beer]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) cool
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The kids arent under warranty from the manifacturer 
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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You're looking at that all wrong.
One way or another, you need money to get yourself a refrigerator.
Making babies, on the other hand, is often engaged in by those with no money - perhaps because . . .
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But it is a lot cheaper to feed and dress up a fridge, and to send it to college.
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Well hey, when the aircon's bust!
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Remember the old refrigerators with these massive doors that could only be opened from the outside? These things became deathtraps for playing children when they were put outside to be taken away to the dump. The magnetic doors can be pushed open from the inside, even by a child, but the warning obviously still is in the manual. Nothing really funny about it.
There you go.[^]
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Holy f#!
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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My neighbor's into restoring antiques. He's got a 1950's refrigerators at his cottage with a similar door.
Perhaps I should get him one of those glow-in-the-dark trunk release levers they now have in cars, for his fridge...
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I was thinking the same thing.
I believe that California still has a law on the books that any refrigerator/freezer that you have in the garage or outside must be locked, have the door physically removed, or have holes drilled into it to prevent suffocation risk.
(Obviously, the latter 2 options are only for units not in use.)
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Ha, but remember we live in the age of the idiot, under which everyone else is at fault and fair targets for legal action.
We won't need stuff like this anymore when the asteroid hits.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Rob Philpott wrote: We won't need stuff like this anymore when the asteroid hits.
Indeed. I can't wait. 
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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The Eskimos would disagree with that.
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