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Munchies_Matt wrote: Total utter bollocks. A Tesla, bad execution? You are so wrong. So completely wrong. It is a very nice piece of engineering.
A volkswagen beetle is a nice piece of engineering.
A Tesla is a handbuilt thing. After all those years, they still not managed to make it modular enough for a production line.
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The first motor car was also very expensive, but it became the future. And so will electric cars, and Tesla has shown us just how good an electric car can be.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: The Tesla is a 21st century car.
The stockmarket seems to disagree; after all the hype and marketing, that seems to be all that is delivered. There's still no mass-production of the Tesla, and the according to the great and knowledgable Musk there's an anti-Tesla conspiracy[^].
Munchies_Matt wrote: From the moment you open the doors (push button, electric), to when you see the interior (how clean it is) you are looking at the future.
Doors that need power to open? Seriously? Because it is way more efficient than pulling a handle or what? Cheaper? A mechanical handle is extremely cost-efficient, and ten times as reliable. No bugs, and not much pollution during manufacturing (compared to the electronic version).
And cleanliness something of the future? Really?
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"A mechanical handle is extremely cost-efficient, and ten times as reliable."
Not on my Toyota van. Broke after only 19 years of use. $20 on Amazon, high maintenance if you ask me. 
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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theoldfool wrote: Not on my Toyota van. Broke after only 19 years of use. $20 on Amazon, high maintenance if you ask me.
An electronic lock would have broken down more often, and would have cost more.
It is cheaper to produce a three-piece mechanical part than to design, test and fabricate an electronic lock.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Doors that need power to open?
You havn't seen those cars (even cheaper ones) that have electric closing boots? ("trunks" for the former colonists.)
Any wonder heart disease is the leading cause of death? People are just getting so friggin lazy.
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Lopatir wrote:
You havn't seen those cars (even cheaper ones) that have electric closing boots? ("trunks" for the former colonists.)
Any wonder heart disease is the leading cause of death? People are just getting so friggin lazy.
I'm still trying to get car-windows down by turning a handle, instead of looking for a button.
And yes, we are actively helping with dumbing down people. Software is becoming more simpeler for a simpeler audience.
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Remember Amazon?
Eddy Vluggen wrote: cleanliness something of the future
Clean design? Yes.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Doors that need power to open
Not saying the Tesla hasnt got gimmicks, it has, as did Musks Space X launch, but, as a piece of engineering it is a fantastic product, and because it is so powerful, it is not lacking the one thing petrol cars always had over electric.
It smacks the rules in the face, delivers it all, in style. A lot like Space X did.
You can pretend otherwise, but this car shows us the future. I guarantee it, whether or not the car today makes money, whether or not the car sells in large numbers, all that is irrelevant. It IS the future, right now.
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Flight was an old idea at the time the Wright brothers took to the air. No doubt you would have dismissed that as a useless gimmick.
It isnt the idea that is new about Tesla, it is the execution of that idea.
I dont suppose you will understand though.
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I heard somewhere that he first car ever created, almost 200 years ago, was an electric car so it's not that innovative.
The big issue with electric cars are the battery capacity and weight of the battery(batteries really as if you open one of those things up you will find lots of smaller batteries).
I still prefer my very economical petrol car which gets more efficient as it burns fuel as it carries less weight as the tank become less full.
Tesla is built on government subsidies and building a business purely on tax payer money is apparently not generally a good business model as there is no competition to challenge Tesla.
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GuyThiebaut wrote: I heard somewhere that he first car ever created, almost 200 years ago
And the Greeks dreamed of flight...
Does that stop you getting on a 747 today?
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Your carbon footprint will shrink to a post stamp. Fight global warming!
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Not at all, the carbon production is just moved to the electricity generating station (as if I care anyway  ).
The thing is that the Model X, as a product, the car, as a piece of outstanding engineering. It is the future.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: It is the future.
If you truly believe that, simply invest in their stock
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I didnt say Tesla was the future, I said they are showing us the future.
De Dion were one of the first, and actually very good, car manufacturers. Where is their stock today?
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Electric cars are only viable because no-one is using them. When we're all on electric (as the government seems intent on forcing us there, even more aggressively than they tried to force us into diesel cars) where is the electricity going to come from? Where are the batteries going to come from? What is the impact on the environment?
Still the diesel thing didn't end badly so I can't see why this will either.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: where is the electricity going to come from?
And the power companies also tell us even if the plants were built the infrastructure (cables, substations etc) to deliver that much power doesn't exist raising the cost astronomically, notwithstanding sourcing the materials required and then installing it would mean literally tearing cities apart to get it out there.
Aint gonna happen.
Already paying too much for electricity, wanna pay >50 times more for something that won't even be ready in your lifetime?
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I agree, it cant be done with the infrastructure we have today.
The same no doubt was said of the first motor car. 'Where are the roads', 'if everyone has one where is all that petrol going to come from', 'the cost of petrol is prohibitive'.
And yet today in the west we have almost one car per adult.
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For sure, the same was said about computers, or any tech. The point I'm trying to highlight is that people know they have to fill their cars with petrol, it's a conscious act that reminds them it consumes resources and is doing environmental harm (if they care about such things), but the problem with electricity is that people have an existing relationship with it...they flip a switch and get light. There's more of a conception that electricity is "free", it comes from thin air almost. I think it makes people think less about the dangers that are there and it can also possibly cause people to trumpet electric cars more than they possibly should.
Until there is a massive renewable energy revolution, nuclear revolution, or massive improvements in inductive charging then the future of electric cars for all isn't quite here yet.
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Oh yes, the environmental impact is of course hidden. In fact many people actually think electric cars are 'green'.
The usefulness of renewables depends on a few things:
i) Pollution in the street. Well, we got rid of lead. Diesel particulates are still a problem.
ii) Pollution at the power station. If we assume CO2 isnt a pollutant, then for example gas is very clean. Coal not bad (compared to wood chip) and can be scrubbed at the power station. Nuclear? It is of course very clean. Provided the plant doesnt blow up, and the waste can be entombed in concrete for a few million years.
The problem with renewables is they are so unreliable. It isnt even the cost, as horrendous as it is, thats the problem, it is the fact it is never there when you need it.
One day I am sure we will find a solution. Geothermal is the most obvious to me. Always on, available globally, 'infinite' heat source, technically quite simple to get to.
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I can see there are a lot of haters here!!
Me think, whether Tesla itself succeed or not, that electric cars is the future.
If I ever need to buy a car it will be electric.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Someone who finally gets the point!
Previous electric cars were utilitarian, cheap, crappy, like the ones in Paris. Tesla has shown how good an electric car can be, and the result is stunningly good.
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I wish Tesla the best - I really do. However, I live in Canada, and last winter we've had a few weeks straight of -30C days. I work from home, and I sometimes have no need for my car for weeks at a time. My car stays outdoors, exposed to the elements.
Put all of these together, and there's just no way I'm part of the target demographics.
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There you have a point, electric motors produce less heat than normal gas engines, so they will need an electric heater I think, which consumes lots of precious electricity 
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