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I know how to read.  I was agreeing with you.
georani wrote: I did take the time to check the link and see that the study and results make no claim about which language is best.
georani wrote: Check that link again ant the title also, it is not about which is best, it is about popularity.
You see how we kinda said the same thing there?
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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According to TIOBE's own methodology description, it's about the number of hits returned by a very specific search query, NOT THE ACTUAL USE OF THE LANGUAGE.
They go through a bunch of search engines and type +"language programming" into the engine, then grab the "number of results returned".
That is an ARBITRARY thing to search for. For example, on Google.com, the following results are turned:
+"C# programming" ~ 7,250,000 results
+"VB.NET programming" ~ 228,000 results
+"C#" ~111,000,000 results
+"VB.NET" ~ 24,800,000 results
The number of hits returned is just a number of pages that mention the search terms. That's all. The pages can be anything, including the documentation from MSDN, forum post questions, answers, complaints, "do my homework for me", resumes, job postings, ... ANYTHING.
It is is NO WAY a representation of the "use popularity" of the languages, only their mentions in web pages.
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Quote: According to TIOBE's own methodology description, it's about the number of hits returned by a very specific search query,
25 Search Engines, click to see:
TIOBE Programming Community Index Definition
Quote: It is is NO WAY a representation of the "use popularity" of the languages, only their mentions in web pages.
So, read this excerpt from this page: Tiobe Index - Click To See
Quote: The TIOBE Programming Community index is an indicator of the popularity of programming languages. The index is updated once a month. The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors. Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings. It is important to note that the TIOBE index is not about the best programming language or the language in which most lines of code have been written.
The index can be used to check whether your programming skills are still up to date or to make a strategic decision about what programming language should be adopted when starting to build a new software system.
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georani wrote: The TIOBE Programming Community index is an indicator of the popularity of programming languages.
No, it's not. It's a ranking of the popularity of their search terms in web pages, NOT IN THE ACTUAL USE OF THE LANGUAGE NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT IT. Their methodology DIRECTLY contradicts the statement they made about the results.
Why??? Because you can go and do the searches yourself, come up with the raw data yourself, and THEN SKIP THE PART WHERE THEY MANUALLY ASSIGN ARBITRARY WEIGHTS TO THE hit() RESULTS.
The raw data numbers alone will tell you a verify different story.
You want a better indicator of what's in use? Go through the repositories on GitHub and compile a list of the languages used by every project. The results will be very different from what TIOBE is showing you.
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You cannot change a fanboi with logic, facts or common sense. A 4*2 will do the job though!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Thanks for pointing that out  … as my TIOBE depression is over now … . Indeed, Google trends gives a totally different picture: I did a quick comparison of C# with VB.NET and the result is astonishing because C# is waaaay more popular than VB.NET (about 5x more popular) according to this simplified metrics … Therefore, it is certainly acceptable to question TIOBE representation of "popularity" …
BR,
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kmoorevs wrote: albeit for some dubious reasons.
You mean to say it's dubious that it's redundant?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Is this rhetorical?
[Edit]
Actually, I meant dubious as in questionable. For instance by the responses in this thread I should avoid VB.NET for these reasons:
0: It's possible to throw in the old 'On Error Resume Next'.  Not that I have to, but OK.
1: It's commonly used by hobbyists/beginners.
2: Someone else wrote some crappy code with it.
3: The cool kids don't use it. It's not about being cool, it's about being productive/generating $.
Thanks to Dave K. for doing his own testing which clearly dispute the OP's claim as it seems the survey results are 'dubious'. I had a feeling when this thread showed up yesterday what it would turn into...at least it stirred things up a little for the weekend!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
modified 21-Jul-18 15:33pm.
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Oops, stumbled accidentally into Soapbox...no...wait a minute...where am I?
Apparently, according to this list, anything vaguely related to IT is a programming language. I would like to add DCL to the list. Its been a few decades, but I'm certain its poised for a comeback
Seriously, languages are simply tools. Any tool works fine. At the moment, I'm busy sawing a board with a screwdriver...later, I'll hammer nails with a saw
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I started in .NET with VB and it was fine for picking up .NET.
However I soon found that most of what I was reading about was related to C#.
So I promptly learnt C# largely because there was and still is much more out there on the internet relating to C# than VB.
If I have a problem I need to solve the chances are higher that I will find someone else who has hit and fixed the same issue in C#.
So that's the primary reason I use C#.
The secondary reasons for my using C# are - it's easier to find work requiring C# experience and at a pinch it's easier to transition from C# to VB than the other way around.
As for VB being more readable - my experience with readability is generally more connected to the implementation than the language itself. That is the language is important but the way a programmer uses it is much more important when it comes to readability.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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And ? your point is ?
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Quote: Visual Basic.NET is a great programming language, so powerful as C#, but more fun and readable to program with it.
Yes, and Java is blazing fast... 
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Looking a little closer at the numbers, classic VB was down 1.21% while VB.Net was up 1.2%. Maybe they changed how they handled the classified the data?
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Given the highly dubious methods used by the Totally Insipid Obliviots Bull Excrement index, I'm assuming that Google's broadened it's "close enough" language matching to bring up C# examples for VB.net searches and vice versa. (The version of this that conflates UWP, WPF, Silverblight, WP7 and WP8 together has been the bane of my recent existence since probably 1/3rd to 1/2 of the things I've been searching for are edge cases that aren't equivalent over the various flavors of XAML.)
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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It's about time. Even though the shop I currently work at doesn't use it, I still think it was better at somethings than C#, but than again C# is better at other things. it's a bit of a trade off.
Honestly, for years I think most VB devs searched for C# articles because that's what everyone else did, you got to be fluent in both.
Pick up a graphics or the latest DotNet framework book, it was likely going to be only published in C#.
One of my biggest complaints about VB.net was treating chars differently than C# did. C# treats them like an integer, as they should. So making hardware communication protocol libraries was always kind of a pain.
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C# treats chars like an integer?? What happens if they're non-ASCII? What if they're unicode? Sounds to me like it's treating them wrong.
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It's still an integer at the end of the day. you can still: 'A'+5 to get a new value. this is not possible in VB with out using Chr() and Asc() functions. Encryption and binary messaging use this feature a lot.
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About time a language with modern syntax-parsing beats out one of those C-style languages with syntax still stuck in the 70's. I mean, semicolons at the end of lines?! Why does any compiler need to be told where the end of the line is these days?! Why the need for "=" and "==" when a compiler can be written to figure it out based on the context?!
Compiler design is so advanced today compared to the era these junk-syntax languages were developed in, there's no reason for keeping this legacy garbage and inventing new languages that are restricted by it.
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interesting that the line over last 5 years for vb .net has been going up month after month. Are they teaching it in schools or something? Maybe like someone else mentioned, is it the old vb6 projects that over time being ported over to vb.net for newer servers with minimal reworking?
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In a recent survey amongst real programmers, C# was at number 1, Rexx was at #2, FORTRAN-77 was at #3 and JavaScript (with jQuery) came in at #4. VBx or VB.NET didn't even make the list.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Here you have some really hard to print parts: Printed a model[^]
I guess most here will know what that is. Almost every part has problematic shapes that bring my little printer to its limits. In addition to that, the data of some parts was really bad and I had to delete a lot of the geometry and reconstruct it.
The parts still will need some sanding before I can paint and assemble it, but that's not really hard anymore. It also does not matter that it was printed in different colors. Í had some gray, white and turd filament left over and used it up before the filament draws too much moisture out of the air.
For now I have enough of printing this model, but if I ever get a bigger printer, I could print a model that is about 1m long. It does not yet look like it, but it's actually very detailed and close to the old studio models used for the TV series. A good paint job and some decals will work wonders.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Eagle Transporter, I think.
I'm surprised - Space 1999 was ... um ... quite a while ago. And a bit cr@p even then. I preferred UFO myself.
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It's mostly about getting the printer to print those parts. If you take into account that a 3D printer can't print into thin air and then take a look at all those beams and structures...
You do know that Space 1999 was what became of a second season for UFO? Anyway, the Eagles are still very popular models. I have seen plastik model kits on Ebay for 200€ and more. And of all TV spaceships it's still one of the most believable. Ok, it does not seem to have a fuel tank and I would not count on that construction surviving a reentry, but as a worker bee on the moon it's actually almost plausible.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Yikes, its the robot apocalypse! I was recently "fighting with a 3D printer" it kept manufacturing a victory. How can anyone possibly compete, if it can simply manufacture victories? 
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Nice! A lot of parts to print.
A friend of mine is on the last day of a 5 day 14 hour RC Boat print job that is taxing the Creality CR-10's 300mmX300mmX400mm print volume.
Deleted the link he sent me.
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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