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... particularly for the media.
Just heard a TV reporter - BBC no less - talking about the Salo plane crash into the English Channel. And they are going on about what information the air accident investigators may get from the video of the damage to the plane - including "the altitude at which the plane hit the water".
Hmm ...I'm just guessing here ... zero meters above sea level? 
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That might also get the speed at which it hit the water but not very much else. They probably think investigators can determine the altitude at which the plane started its descent but that would be a WAG.
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Maybe they meant "attitude"?
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“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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"You think I'm gonna fly?
Well mister, I saw you flying some other airplane just yesterday and my momma ain't raised no fool!
You do you own flying from now on, I'm out!"
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"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Atcherley -- and you know how I hate to nit-pick -- but sea level is anything but a constant.
You could fall to your death by dropping from zero altitude and hitting the sea, or drown because you can't reach the surface of the sea quickly enough from zero altitude.
Disclaimer (because otherwise, someone will nit-pick (how can people do such things!?!): the above is not guaranteed valid for all seas. Contact your local large-body-of-water supplier for details.
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The BBC's long ago stopped being anything like real news - so why would their respect for science muddle through? They, in their own quaint way, remind me of Faux News in the US, not for the spin they put on what they report but that they have an agenda and pretty much minimize or ignore what goes against the flow they want to create.
NY Times? Certain topics allow any claims without vetting anything, but in their case, they've had some of these policies in place for over a century.
Speaking of which - I stream EuroNews - but I've noticed that more and more of the items are not news but discussions/opinions, and worst of all, paid propaganda pieces. Looking at the German version, however, I don't see that sh*t. In fact, no one but the English speakers seem to get his flood of manure - and I'm hoping you can give me a hint way this is so.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: NY Times
The NY Times!?!
That lefty, pinko, commie, snowflake cr@p!?!
Stick with Fox News! That's where the real, unbiased truth is!
It's horses for courses. People want to read what people want to read -- and lots of 'em want to read gutter press (like the NY Times and Fox News), because they reflect their opinions.
If you hate people for not sharing your opinions and preferences, you'll have no time to do anything but hate, so just let 'em get on with it. Everyone's got the same rights as you have, when it comes to believing what they want to believe.
As few as 50 years from now, the only people who will give a flying f@rt what any of us today believes will be academics -- and who gives a cr@p what those idiots think?
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Mark_Wallace wrote: As few as 50 years from now, the only people who will give a flying f@rt what any of us today believes will be academics -- and who gives a cr@p what those idiots think?
Unless you are a celebrity of some sort.
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It's not whether they share my opinion or not - it's deliberate bias.
Faux News isn't a news station - it's all opinion and they preach to their Hell's Choir of the Misbegotten.
The NY Times lies by omission and/or stacking the deck by pre-selection only of those who's opinion enhances the narrative they wish to create.
A free press - which is supposed to protect democratic freedoms is being used to manipulate factions into oppressors.
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Faux Faux, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc. News isn't a news station - it's all opinion and they preach to their Hell's Choir of the Misbegotten.
Fixed that for you. The fact that you recognize the NY Times is just as corrupt at manipulating what they print means there is a little hope for you. The constant nonsense about Fox News has to do with it's bent away from the left and is simply perpetuated by the competition. It always amazes me at the level of bitching at Fox News even after if completely dominated the news industry. Seemed it filled a vaccuum. Hmmm.
Hell's Choir of the Misbegotten. . Now you're just getting insulting and boorish.
There is a lie that most people believe - that this 1st Amendment and freedom of the press has somehow nominated publishers and reporters into the ranks of sainthood. They all have their own agendas, and they always will. Today we just have lazy reporters and obviously slanted front page news that should be back on the opinion page, if they wanted to be honest with themselves. The reporters pull AP or other lead stories, and more reporters cite these stories and it fall feeds back on itself. There is very little investigative journalism these days.
Freedom of the press can be summed up easily: "You are free to go buy your own press." The internet has just made it that much more complicated for the old news sources to actually maintain a profit. Adapt or die.
Quote: A free press - which is supposed to protect democratic freedoms is being used to manipulate factions into oppressors.
I'll further disagree with you. It's the 2nd amendment which has a hope to protect freedom, but we're wandering off into soapbox material.
Charlie Gilley
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"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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W∴ Balboos wrote: The NY Times lies by omission and/or stacking the deck by pre-selection only of those who's opinion enhances the narrative they wish to create.
Sure, and it's not alone in promoting left-wing views.
But there are just as many right-wing news outlets that mutilate the truth just as badly, so at least it's balanced.
The point is: if you know someone personally who is known to be a terrible liar, do you listen to what he says and get upset about it?
I sure as Hell don't; it's ignore, ignore all the way.
If they want to tell lies to people who want to hear lies, let 'em get on with it.
It ain't worth the stress of getting mad about it.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
The point is: if you know someone personally who is known to be a terrible liar, do you listen to what he says and get upset about it?
I sure as Hell don't; it's ignore, ignore all the way.
Hell know - that's a foolish method of handling it. Both right and left wing agendas are picking up supporters who then vote the agenda and there are consequences - serious and often enough, lethal consequences. Literally and figuratively. And the damage can be sever. You have perhaps heard the term "Extinction is Forever" - you can't undo the damage if the populations later wise up.
It should bother you[^]
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Maybe they meant the attitude of the airplane? But you never know with these "journalists"?
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If I were to fall into the sea I'd have to fall up (yes, I'm Dutch).
Maybe that's what they meant? 
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Oh you expect intelligence from a talking head[^]
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
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I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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XKCD OTD: xkcd: .NORM Normal File Format[^]
Now, all I need it to code up an app to generate .NORM files ...
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A friend of mine used to work in support for a large Accounting software Firm. She asked a client to "send in a copy of your data disk" for diagnostics and repair (I'm obviously going back a few years here!)
Next day, a very thin envelope landed on her desk, marked "FAO xxxxx xxxxxx : Copy of Data Disk"
You've guessed it - it was a photocopy of the disk.
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Or a screenshot of the code[^] 
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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That is some very good advice. 
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CHill60 wrote: You've guessed it - it was a photocopy of the disk.
Oh, so you know that guy? I have heard that story repeated again and again, from all sorts of sources. Maybe a few details were lost here, a few other detail were lost there, but it clearly is comes from the same, true story.
And here we have someone who knows the guy who actuall experienced it! Great!
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I knew the woman it happened to... *just saying*
Actually saw the photocopy too.
Beaconsfield Arms, Gateshead, circa 1985-6
Did say I was "going back a bit" 
Also personally experienced the "my mouse cable isn't long enough" because they thought it was the thing that paused the voice recorder.
S**t, I'm old
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Don't forget the "broken cup holder" as well!
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