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I'm happily ignorant as to what that is.
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and better to continue so 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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If it makes you feel better, I never trusted them in the business end of things precisely because of the comma.
but for debugging state tables it works like a charm - no globalization/localization required. no funny currency markers munging up the input.
i hear you though.
I tend to JSON usually. Historically I've only provided export/import to/from CSV if a client requests it explicitly. It's a godawful format.
The thing is, i just like finding a use for it that isn't evil.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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JSON, XML or TDV (Tab Delimited Values) usually works equally fine for me. But I try to make it a habit to avoid formats that might create bugs in the future.
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When I think of CSV, I am usually referring to any character-delimited text, of which the comma ranks well down on the list of preferred delimiter characters. I much prefer the vertical bar, "|" ASCII code 0x7c, or the TAB character, ASCII code 0x09.
1) The advantage of the vertical bar that it almost never occurs in normal text.
2) The advantage of the tab is that it is trivially easy to export well-formed rows (lines) of tab-separated values from many databases and accounting applications, and they are the default import delimiter in Microsoft Excel.
I emphasized the import delimiter in connection with Excel to differentiate it from opening CSV files into Excel, since opening a CSV bypasses the import wizard, with frequently unwanted, if not outright distastrous, results.
David A. Gray
Delivering Solutions for the Ages, One Problem at a Time
Interpreting the Fundamental Principle of Tabular Reporting
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your point is taken, though for my needs this solution worked fine - with the caveat that it's only used in a very narrow context, and as a debug function at that. It's not needed to interoperate except to be able to be pasted into something and viewed. CSV works fine since I already know all of the data going into each cell and none of it will have commas. It can't.
So yeah, if i was doing a more general CSV export I'd definitely take your points. I've typically avoided CSV in favor of formats that allow for robust escaping/data delimiting, but sometimes we're stuck with what we have, rather than what we want =)
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Since I assumed that you got it, my point was intended mostly for the benefit of lurkers who may not have enough experience with CSV data to appreciate its finer points.
David A. Gray
Delivering Solutions for the Ages, One Problem at a Time
Interpreting the Fundamental Principle of Tabular Reporting
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codewitch honey crisis wrote: So finally, after coding since 1986, i find a ready, real-world, non-business related programming need for CSV format
Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.
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103. The cautious conflict the unknown (4)
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Ya 
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Maybe they should have done it based on occupation.
Politicians, Marketing, Sales etc..
A Fine is a Tax for doing something wrong
A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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Am I alone in thinking that "BS Study" sounds a tad tautological?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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High chance that info presumed to be true, to infer the outcome is BS as well.
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I note that there is one woman and no Canadians in the list of authors, so the study has a high chance of not being bullshit. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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They are selling different styles of motorbike helments (as well as handbags and other accessories) on Amazon and various other sites.
I cannot find anything out about the brand, corporate website, origins etc. my Google Fu is turning up nothing meaning, and even after a dirty trip to Bing I am nothing wiser.
Does anyone know who, what where or anything about this brand?
Does anyone own any of their stuff or used any of it?
I have bought a quad and just waiting for it to be delivered to Cyprus, and I was in the market for a dual sport white helmet for quad biking () and spotted them on Amazon as I can get that delivered to Cyprus, but background research is coming up light.
Cheers!
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DaveAuld wrote: Does anyone own any of their stuff or used any of it?
I make this stuff in my garage out of Lego and sheep.
I used to use that inferior American Legos and Sheeps, but the helmets provided absolutely no protection.
I mean, personally I wouldn't buy it but you can send me cash in envelopes. I like cash.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I wonder if welsh sheep are any better than American sheep? maybe Griff knows.......
........but do you need to step away from the keyboard again?
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DaveAuld wrote: ........but do you need to step away from the keyboard again?
No. I'm happily getting my Sunday night beer. Half way through my fortnight off work. Or at least away from the contract work and just doing my other customrs and alcohol.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Well enjoy your beer! I am almost half way through my slightly longer 30 day offshore stint, then I can enjoy some myself........
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Michael Martin wrote: I used to use that inferior American Legos and Sheeps, but the helmets provided absolutely no protection.
I see the problem. Ewe should have used rams. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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sounds like one of those chines mobs that's picked up a euro name to sound like "quality."
Their t-shirts would probably be OK (cheap / throwaway) but I'm not sure I'd buy something from them to protect my head from high speed impact.
DaveAuld wrote: but background research is coming up light
Little info, any reviews (and don't think they aren't above paying a mob to write user reviews on websites, I mean proper reviews by reputable magazines even though those can be bought too - i.e. cnet.)
Don't do it.
You can always earn more money,
but you only ever get 1 brain.
- please just pay more for the known brand.
Another way of putting it: Hindsight really sucks when choosing life saving gear.
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Yep that was my view...
Hence bought a known brand instead. Gave up trying to find anything about them.
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