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PeejayAdams wrote: last night's game got 11.7 million viewers in the UK, that's massive.
Because it was over-represented and people watched it as a novelty. It's not something that's going to stick. Alas the coverage was on while I was at the gym so I was exposed to some of the pre-match hype.
First off football (by "football" I mean men's football) is male-dominated, obviously, that's just how it is, men prefer sport to women. However the in-studio pundits are generally a mix of males and females, and they always try and interview female fans while covering matches. The coverage I saw was 100% female, no men involved. So they go on about diversity and inclusion yet they are *less* diverse and *less* inclusive than a sport that's famously male-dominated. That's going to turn normal people off. Women are only interested in this because they want to push a feminist agenda. That's going to turn normal people off. They were actually saying that the England\US teams are pro gay rights. Seriously? Who cares? Are you saying that male teams are anti gay rights? Maybe it's just that in football people only care about the football and not identity politics so it just isn't something made a song and dance about? Yeah, obviously it's hardly gay-friendly, that's a given, but again no-one cares.
The whole thing is just some woke, identity politics feminist fest and the general public simply don't care about these things, it actually turns them off. They want to see balls kicked into a net, not be lectured on how they are morally inferior or have the "wrong" opinions. The whole thing is doomed to fail.
Unless they make them play in bikinis. Then I'd watch.
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I don't think that it has anything to do with gender politics, whatsoever.
What you get is actually a different sort of game. I watched the England vs Australia Ladies 50-over match yesterday and it was a scorcher. Cricket without 90 mph bowlers is a very different game to the men's version but it's no less interesting for that.
Similarly, women's footie may be a lot slower than the men's game but again, that makes for a different experience not necessarily an inferior one.
Again, look at tennis. The women's game is often much more entertaining, simply because the game is far better to watch without mega-fast power serves.
And I really don't care whether the horse I back is a boy, a girl or a gelding as long as it makes me money!
Choice of presenters is entirely up to the broadcaster (Dion Dublin was involved last night, by the way) but yes, there does seem to be a lot of gender bias in there. But that is the fault of the broadcasters not a flaw in the game.
I'm not sure how identity politics enters the debate unless it's something that you choose to wallow in. Most "normal people" like good sport regardless of who happens to be playing it.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: I don't think that it has anything to do with gender politics, whatsoever.
That's demonstrably false. When people watch a football match on TV the pre-match amble is all about team members, positions, tactics, recent form etc etc. It's not about people's sexual preferences. The pre-match coverage was loaded with identity politics, I'm sorry but that's a fact. Sure you might say that's a fault of the coverage and not the game, but I'm simply telling you why it won't catch on. It won't catch on because normal people don't care about identity politics so no matter whose "fault" it is, they're going to be turned off from watching.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: It won't catch on because normal people don't care about identity politics
Indeed, but you seem to! 
Can't comment on the preamble as I was watching the cricket but yes, nothing to do with the game itself. Bad coverage, can of course turn people off but I suspect I'm far from alone amongst sports fans in only watching the game not the surrounding blurb.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: I suspect I'm far from alone amongst sports fans in only watching the game not the surrounding blurb.
That's proof by example fallacy. Regardless of your habits you are going to be exposed to non-game footage at some point, for most fans that's a part of the whole experience, and when they hear talk about how such-and-such team supports the rights of black trans non-binary wheelchair users they'll just lose interest. Identity politics spreads like a cancer and eventually the whole "scene" will simply be accusations of bigotry, apologies on twitter, demands for managers and players to be sacked because they assumed someones gender and so. It will be a sport version of twitter and it will destroy itself.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: That's proof by example fallacy. Regardless of your habits you are going to be exposed to non-game footage at some point
Well, I do regularly watch The Cricket Debate and I'm yet to hear Bob Willis bring up the issue of transgender rights, the colour of somebody's skin or whatever else extremists are obsessing over this week, so I'm not too worried.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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I'm not talking about cricket, you're deliberately dragging the thread off-topic. I wonder why.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: I wonder why.
Because, like everything else in the world, it's all just an evil conspiracy conducted by the New World Order, the Trilateral Commission and Great Cthulhu. Obviously.
During the last game in which I actually watched all the blurb (Villa vs Derby), the evil neo-liberal* swine in the commentary box were so busy talking about the brilliance of young Jack Grealish that they didn't praise Trump and Putin once in the entire broadcast. If that ain't political bias I don't know what is! It's an affront to decent Daily Mail readers everywhere! It's shocking, I tell you, they're trying to turn us all into gay communists!
*I've no idea what it means, either, but it sounds good, don't it?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Now you're talking about men's football? If you have to discuss men's football in response to arguments about women's football, maybe you should just consider the possibility that your arguments are wrong.
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Oh, sorry, I thought the conspiracy was a bit broader than that.
You are, as ever, right about everything. The rest of the world is wrong. 
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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I'm just telling you what was actually said. I didn't say it was a conspiracy, that's a straw-man argument.
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PeejayAdams wrote: Again, look at tennis. The women's game is often much more entertaining, simply because the game is far better to watch without mega-fast power serves.
And besides about half of the adult population likes towatchi women in Scanty shorts running around.
I do like women{s pro basketall better than the NBA, simplyt because the women are not as big and muscular, so the game involves more finess and strategy and 3 point shots.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr.PhD P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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The AZ-103 Microsoft Azure Administrator[^] exam! 
They now have these "labs" where you have to complete some assignments in Azure.
One service was a bit flaky, so I decided to keep it for last, at which point the entire browser hung and I couldn't complete the assignment...
The exam worked, luckily, and I was able to finish it... Only to find that none of the FOURTEEN! "lab" questions was registered and were marked as "unanswered" 
The guy who was sitting there called Microsoft twice, but they couldn't do anything about it now and we had to file a case.
I told him to just finish it and got a passing score!
It's unknown whether those fourteen questions were or weren't included in the final score (they probably were, or I'm a genius/very lucky), but the final judgement is "passed" so who cares!?
Never had so much stress during an exam though 
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Congratulations. I got my Ph.D. diploma yesterday, so all is well and it's too late for the University to change its mind.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Wow, congrats!
A great achievement indeed!
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Thank you! The hardest part was standing up to give my Dissertation Defense. But I did it.
One thing is for sure, it's best not to have a stroke before the defense.
But I never, in my entire life did anything the easy way. I wish I could have passed on the stroke, though, but at least I was being consistent.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr.PhD P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Dr.Walt Fair, PE wrote: it's best not to have a stroke before the defense
Next time you're planning on having a stroke, ask me first and I'll advise against it 
It's good to see you've recovered and picked up your life again! 
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Sander Rossel wrote: ext time you're planning on having a stroke, ask me first and I'll advise against it
It's good to see you've recovered and picked up your life again!
Best,
If I had the option to plan it, I would have gone to the hospital.
My little brother was driving around, had chest pains, so drove to the closest hospital. He had a heart attack while in the emergency room. They moved him up to a room, performed 4 stints and he was out 2 days later and back to normal.
I on the other hand, felt nothing besides tired with the stroke. I didn't even realize what had happened until they told me at the hospital after laying on the floor for two days. I was alone, so it took 2 days for someone to find me. I spent 2 weeks in the local hospital, then 3 months in the medical center in Hoiuston, then 3 months in intensive in-patient therapy. I went home, fell and broke a rib. ZBack to a hospital for 6 weeks, then back home for good. Early this year (Like January 1. I got too weak to stand up, so my children called emergency services who took me to the emergency room. I had an intestinal infection and was in sepsis.
After 2 weeks of heavy antibiotics, I was strong enough to stand up, so they sent me back to a therapy facility for 4 weeks, then back home.
Hopefully that's all the hospital that I want to see.
The doctor told me
1) It's a miracle that I survived a massive stroke.
2) If I had gotten to a hospital in 4 hours instead of 2 days, they could have reversed the stroke damage and I would have been back to my ornery self.
3)Psychological and Psychiatric evaluations reveald that many brain was just fine.
Interestingly after the stroke, I could only speak Spanish, but after 2 days, my English, German and Portuguese came back just fine, the experts have no idea why that happened.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr.PhD P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Wow that's book material
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Wow, that's doing it tough
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Dr.Walt Fair, PE wrote: but at least I was being consistent
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
-- Emerson
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
That's a great quote!...and a great use of the word 'hobgoblin'!  Why does Frank Zappa suddenly come to mind? 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Don't forget to always carry plenty of toilet paper! 
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Congrats Walt! Your never-give-up attitude is an inspiration to me
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