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mmmm... granted. There are so many wanting to do it...
but FB still wants more and uses not very ethical ways to get it. And that's the part that pisses me a little bit off
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Nelek wrote: not very ethical
Examples?
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Getting information of your system just visiting a website with a like button, although you don't use it
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Nelek wrote: information of your system
What information?
Nelek wrote: visiting a website with a like button, although you don't use it
Meaning even though you don't click like, they record something? What are they recording?
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ZurdoDev wrote: Meaning even though you don't click like, they record something?
Yes, and AFAIK was already posted about it here some time ago.
ZurdoDev wrote: What are they recording?
Google[^]
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All that says is that they track your visits to the site, it’s a tracking cookie. Tons of different sites do that for analytics. You had said that they take information off your system, that is what I was asking you about.
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ZurdoDev wrote: You had said that they take information off your system
Nope... I said they get information of your system, not off your system
ZurdoDev wrote: Tons of different sites do that for analytics
The biggest difference I see is... Facebook gets the data of those tons of different sites all together, being able to extract / extrapolate a lot more information from the mass data than just analytics about the web usage as the individual web owners might do.
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Nelek wrote: I said they get information of your system, not off your system
I don't see a difference. They aren't getting any information about your system. I understand system to mean your computer, maybe you meant something else?
Nelek wrote: Facebook gets the data of those tons of different sites all together,
How? Their code can't read cookies from other sites. If they buy it, then who cares?
I also don't see the harm in Facebook, or anyone, knowing that I clicked a link and then another link and then another. Do you? If so, what's the harm?
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ZurdoDev wrote: How? Their code can't read cookies from other sites.
AFAIK yes, because the cookie is set by the button, and the button is an IFrame depending on main domain FB. Additionally there are tracking pixels and some other tools that they are using.
There has been a couple of articles complaining that some functions of the FB API where even tunneling informations about the software containing them and about the users using the software. There are a lot of pages explaining about this and other ways they are using.
But... if what you want to hear is... No, I can't 100% explain it because I am not an expert in the topic and / or I have no evidences for what I am telling apart from links to some sites... here you have.
If what you want to hear is... only because it is said in the internet, it has no certainty to be true... here you have.
If they were so innocent as they claim or you think / imply, they would not be facing the situations they are facing or are going to face.
ZurdoDev wrote: I also don't see the harm in Facebook, or anyone, knowing that I clicked a link and then another link and then another. Do you?
Yes I do. If FB spy on me using the content of whatsapp... hey, it is free, I am not so naive to think free means really free. But visiting a site that doesn't belong to them. No, I don't think they should be doing it.
Anyways... I already know you enough to see that this is not going to come to any point. You are going to continue asking questions out of "incredulity" or telling how unimportant the whole point is and I am going to get tired to trying to show you what I mean, so...
Let me agree with you that we disagree and see you around.
Have a nice day 
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Nelek wrote: I already know you enough
Actually, no, you don't.
I don't see any danger in sites tracking what you visit. It took a long time to get there but that's all I'm asking. You said they should not be doing it and that's fine, but no one has ever been able to explain what the danger is. If no danger, then who cares?
I don't care if my neighbors watch me doing yard work from their window. I don't care if someone looks in my car while we're stopped at a red light. Our "privacy" is constantly at risk but we don't care because it means nothing. That's how I see facebook knowing that you went to site1.com and then left and went to site2.com. It just doesn't matter.
People have also complained that Microsoft was collecting telemetry data from Visual Studio. Again, who cares?
I'd love to hear someone explain a real threat and then I'd totally change my mind. But until someone does, I just don't care.
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ZurdoDev wrote: I'd love to hear someone explain a real threat and then I'd totally change my mind. But until someone does, I just don't care.
Reminds me of a saying I heard and use:
Just because you don't hear the voices, doesn't mean they're not there.
But I never wave bye bye
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If they were there, why can't anyone explain them?
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I realize this is an older post, but I had fallen behind a bit on my codeproject reading. It all sounds innocent enough, and at the start it was. But now things have progressed. I'll try to provide some possible cases to your points.
Link clicks:
Say I know you have been looking at reviews for a new tv. I can see you've been to review sites three times this past week. Now when you go to a site to order the tv. The selling site had purchased your click information. They now know you are interested in the tv and add 20% to the price when you visit. Is this legal? ethical?
Now for a bit of big brother conspiracy - you regularly visit a site that supports a political view. The next election, the opposing party wins and manages to push through legislation that makes that view illegal. They gather the information of everyone who has visited sites that support that view.
Tracking:
There is also a device id that is now being sent. This is specific to the device. There are companies who use this id and claim they are more private and secure because they are not using a cookie. However, you can delete your cookies, but not the device id. (there are now ways to reset the id, but only after user complaints) You know those apps that "require" you to give them access to your location, though you don't know what for. They also send your location along with this device id. Companies buy this information and use it to essentially track the devices location. Your device location is now being tracked without ever visiting a site. Usually when you run one of these applications. Worse is that they take the location information, and can map that to your home address. Now they can lookup all device ids that connect at that location. They are now able to send you ads on your laptop for things you were looking at on your phone. They can even look at the device ids for your neighbors and assume that maybe you told them about your new tv. So they can send ads to your neighbors device about that tv. Then when they click to buy, it is now marked up 30%.
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Stryder_1 wrote: They now know you are interested in the tv and add 20% to the price when you visit. Is this legal? ethical?
Of course it's legal. And it's ethical, in my opinion. They already do this type of stuff. Lots of store mark their regular prices way up and then have "sales" all the time.
Also, if I am browsing TVs then they already know that I want one regardless of whether or not they purchased my browsing history.
Thirdly, that's just poor business and they'll likely lose customers over it. I seem to recall something like this actually happening and someone busted them for it. Bad publicity.
Stryder_1 wrote: They gather the information of everyone who has visited sites that support that view.
When governments get this corrupt, tracking visits is the least of our problems.
Stryder_1 wrote: that "require" you to give them access to your location
Actually, no. I've never seen a site require that. Many ask, but they still work if you deny it.
Stryder_1 wrote: Now they can lookup all device ids that connect at that location. They are now able to send you ads on your laptop for things you were looking at on your phone. They can even look at the device ids for your neighbors and assume that maybe you told them about your new tv. So they can send ads to your neighbors device about that tv
Ads will never go away. I'd much prefer a targeted ad than a useless ad.
But there are also tools that can track which apps are giving away locations. iOS and Android I believe can block apps from getting location unless you want them to.
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Researchers from North Carolina State University have developed an open-source tool that allows users to track and record the behavior of JavaScript programs without alerting the websites that run those programs. But who will monitor the monitor?
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Kent Sharkey wrote: But who will monitor the monitor?
Better to ask: How long will it take to bring the tool to the dark side and make things worst? 
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Microsoft's botched Windows updates have become a running joke without a punchline, and every update creates a series of new problems for Windows 10 users. Enjoy the well-earned time off?
Or: https://ubuntu.com/download
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Tom's Guide: Microsoft's botched Windows updates have become a running joke without a punchline, and every update creates a series of new problems for Windows 10 users.
I suppose he has come to CP and seen the comments here and in the lounge... 
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The 66% raise that Satya just got would have been much better used re-hiring the testing team and rebuilding the physical machine lab they had.
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I don't care about the actual cost or using what you appear to be implying, "every dime of his raise", for just this purpose. I know he got a crap-ton of money/stock.
I was just saying that this department is sorely missed and desperately needed. My evidence for such is the rise in severely botched updates and feature roll-outs over the last few years. Relying on virtual machines and user testing (i.e.: Insiders) may be giving their bottom line a boost and make shareholders happy, but it's also giving them a black eye in the user community.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: I know he got a crap-ton of money/stock.
That would mean he got a bonus... not a raise.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Relying on virtual machines and user testing (i.e.: Insiders) may be giving their bottom line a boost and make shareholders happy, but it's also giving them a black eye in the user community.
Totally agree with you. And when they at the end realize it, might be a bit too late
Their biggest luck is that the alternatives are much more complicated for the average Joe than their less-qualitative-than-before-and-giving-surprise-problems version of Windows
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California Governor Gavin Newsom just signed a new bill into law letting drivers who run over animals with their vehicles keep the meat — as long as they use a new app to log the crash. Windows Phone already registered as roadkill, so I guess they won't be porting it
OK, not strictly "Science and Technology", but they do mention an app...
Also: because California 
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