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When I started out it was the systems analysts who did the design and logic. All the programmer needed to do was to convert the English instructions into lines of code. So it was a fairly basic function and any idiot (me) could do it. Since then the job has developed in line with ever more sophisticated hardware and software. So now, the 'programmer' has to understand much more and use his/her skills to develop products rather than be a 'code monkey'.
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Exactly. 
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You are not implying that there's anything wrong with being a 'code monkey'. .
I am implying that I like being a 'code monkey'. .
modified 8-Nov-19 9:07am.
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Of course not. Be true to yourself, do what you enjoy and enjoy what you do.
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Every team needs some code monkeys and I've never seen a successful large project (in this century) that did not have a good balance of analysts, developers, and code monkeys; not to mention some kicka$$ QA people.
JW
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Being ancient enough to remember the System Analyst days, I'd modify that a little:
The profession started as Programmers - that meant we understood the mystic language of computers (COBOL, Algol, Fortran etc) and could translate detailed pseudo code into something that actually worked. In the modern parlance this is also referred to as Coders.
Software Engineers - an evolutionary step where the programmers were actually trusted with writing their own pseudo code and doing some design. Of course letting the business people actually meet the coal face workers was still frowned upon.
Developers - The current evolutionary step where the code jockeys actually can influence how the business should be using the software, rather than being told what to write.
An opinion is an opinion, it's my right to be wrong.
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I guess it has to do with the image people have of each.
A programmer is someone who is anti-social and types code all day, not rarely for evil intent.
A coder is pretty much the same, but without the evil, maybe? It sounds more akin to script kiddies.
A developer sounds a lot more friendly. We're developing, rather than destroying.
I know I prefer the term developer because it sounds like I do more than just type code.
As a developer I also create UI's.
Or what about an engineer? I think I've had that title in the past.
In the end they're all the same, but managers rather hire developers than coders.
Put full-stack or cloud somewhere in your title and you'll do well among managers and recruiters 
Sr. full-stack cloud architect 
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Sander Rossel wrote: do well among managers and recruiters
Who wants to do well with them? They did their best to drain all life out of me and now I have come back to scare them to death.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...
Quote: A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.
The analogy should be clear.
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I wonder what would be "the improper handling of sewage". 
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When you forget your gloves & face mask...
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Marc Clifton wrote: Programmer => Developer => Engineer => CodeWraith
You forgot the last step 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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You forgot the precedent to programmer of hack.
Some people never get beyond that. Unfortunately, they work here.
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agolddog wrote: Unfortunately, they work here.
They may use the forums, but they certainly do not work here.
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No, no, "here" is where I am. Not your "here".
Also realized it's an iterative thing, not linear. Start out as a hack, think you've got a pretty good handle on things and have moved up.
Then, a year later, you look at the code you developed when you thought you were getting a pretty good handle on things and think, "what a hack".
Of course, there are some who never endeavor to improve and think they're decent developers, but really just stay on the hack level.
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. in mitigation see the third sentence at The Lounge[^].
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I went to school to learn to be a "Production Supervisory Engineer"
Basically, I watch other people work.
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I think it's because:
- people don't know what your title means,
- but it sounds pretty really important
so you get to keep that job just in case something that matters breaks if you weren't there.
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I see time has brought you some wisdom, grasshopper.
Now if you divest yourself of all ambition you will be truly free.*
* Eating regularly isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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when I was young the people behind the bench/desk at the bank were called "tellers."
apparently it's insulting to call them that now.
give it a few more years, "programmer" will be an insulting title too.
one things for sure, the "tellers" were way less obnoxious and far more efficient than today's "customer liaison executives" or whatever they are called this week.
... 'would you like the combo pack or just your own money.'
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What do folks use now? Always know them to be tellers or cashiers etc.
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Attempting to give a serious answer, of the three, "Developer" seems to fit more into what I do and can be thus described:
I plan the whole shebang: interface(s), databases, &etc. and then make it all happen. Not just the logic of the code but the logic of the process - and usually in a manner that leaves easy access to enhancements without breaking existing dependencies.
(At least in my dreams).
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Quote: (At least in my dreams).
some people have huge dreams. Others well I just am happy I got my pants on
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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Software Engineer it is called now
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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