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gmail, and call it a day? 
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Griff's problem is with Outlook, aka the desktop email client. It can connect to gmail, but the problem will remain the same, wherever the mail is coming from.
Surely you're not suggesting a web interface for email as an alternative, right? Especially gmail's...
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of course. I love gmail. I use it all the time and have been for years.
I also use Outlook at work exclusively and Outlook sucks.
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Google proudly announced gmail back in the day as email "re-invented"...with their own spin on it. That's what I've never gotten used to.
To say nothing of the fact that it's being run by a company whose very existence is all about profiling users. I feel rather strongly that the company showing me ads shouldn't be allowed to scrutinize my mail and determine what I discuss and with whom.
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Microsoft profiles users too; they all do.
To think one is less evil than the other, is silly.
Cheers.
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Agreed, but the important difference here is that without its profiling business, there's no Google.
In Microsoft's case, the ad business its profiling is based upon amounts to a rather small hill of beans.
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Not to keep this debate going any longer, but Google does have real, usable software too, you know that right? profiling or no profiling, they are a software company, just like Microsoft, albeit, most of their software is free to use, but it is software that works well, none the less.
BTW, I am not a Google fanboi, and I don't align with them politically and I detest a lot of their methods, but some of their software is just damn good.
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Slacker007 wrote: they are a software company, just like Microsoft, albeit, most of their software is free to use
That's exactly what most people believe. Their software is free, nobody pays for it, yet they manage to keep the company afloat.
Google's an ad company. That's what supports their free software and all their other expenses. Not the other way around.
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4: Ctrl + F. WTF??? (Unless it has been changed since 2010 version.)
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You. Are. ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing. Kidding. Me. 
No, it hasn't changed. At least CTRL+N does what you expect ...
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Considering what Ctrl+F does, I expect Ctrl+N to do something like reboot the computer.  
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... and bought Office 2019.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry - but Live Mail / LibreOffice just wasn't cutting it any more, as show by the "two hour email" debacle recently when nothing ing worked to produce a simple formatted email, and the more I tried, the more frustrated I got.
Live Mail I can excuse: it's a free, basic product and it does free, basic stuff really well. But LibreOffice Writer faffing with formatting every time I did anything just was the final straw: I'm fed up with every update destroying my Task Bar file history, I'm fed up with UI-Breaking changes that never get reflected in the documentation. I'm fed up with "rock star programmers" who can't be assed to fix bugs, but add a feature that works for their exact need, and breaks something else. In short, I no longer believe that the OpenSource model works for large projects.
So, it's back to Office ... 
First impressions aren't good. Open Word and you get an understandable messagebox:
Microsoft Word isn't your default program for viewing and editing documents.
Do you want to select the files types that Word should open? That's good - instead of grabbing everything it can sort-of cope with and annoying the heck out of me later, it wants to give the the option. "Yes".
To change your default apps, go to Settings > Apps > Default Apps .
"OK"
Nothing happens, it doesn't even try to open it for you ...
So you open StartButton ... Settings ... Apps ... Default Apps, and ... nothing there directly lists Word documents (or spreadsheets, or ...) , again.
Best I can come up with is "Choose default apps by file type" which for a "normal user" is probably pretty scary when it eventually appears, especially as MS has been hiding file extensions since Win7 and most users have probably never seen one, much less knows what they are for ... even I'm not sure about some of 'em!
That's not a good start: "You need to do this; now p*ss off and do it because I'm not going to help you, and gawd help you if you get it wrong". Is it only me that remembers a dialog with a "I can handle these, which do you want to you open automatically for you?" list being shown, so you could select the important ones?
So I decide that for the moment, it can have DOC and DOCX only, and scroll down to them.
They are both already assigned to Word.
So the whole ing message was a load of b*ll*cks and it did it without bl**dy asking! 
Microsoft, that's worse than doing nothing - because that's telling me "we're pretending to care about your system integrity, but we just screwed you over in the background and lied about it."
This experience had better get better, Microsoft, you're on thin ice allready...
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This has nothing to do with Word or MSOffice, but the new insane mapping of file types with their local corresponding applications.
The people at Microsoft who came up with that BS have probably never used a computer in their life - To me, this is definitely one of my top ten PITA of windows 10.
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did you buy 2019 or buy the sub? (heard they were intending to kill off the one-time buy).
actually if you have a few people using it the 5 machines sub (even if not the same physical household) is not too bad.
Edit: Oh be careful, msoffice loves to default to saving EVERYTHING on one drivel
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I bought 2019 - I'm not a fan of subscription software models.
I'm the only user - Herself has no idea how to even turn on the printer, much less create a spreadsheet.
And I'm pretty sure I'll slap Office silly to remind it that my NAS is where stuff goes very shortly ... 
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The sub is even better than that - each of the 5 people can use Office and each can be signed on to up to 5 different devices; I've got it on my laptop, my desktop, my Surface Pro and my iPad Pro, it's installed on my wife's laptop as user #2, and I still have 3 more shares to hand out. I bought it figuring the other 3 would be my kids, but they all prefer other packages, so my dad, a brother and a sister-in-law are going to get them instead.
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I'm just trying LibreOffice, your post is not encouraging.
I consider the equation editor of LibreOffice far better thant the MS one.
Excel looks better then Calc, but no issues with the latter, for the moment.
Quote: I no longer believe that the OpenSource model works for large projects.
There's gcc, you know.
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It is good - especially for the price ... but just get used to ignoring updates, and you should be fine. Calc is excellent (Excel has always been better overall, but with niggles).
It's just the "accumulation of bruises" I've built up with LibreOffice that has driven me from it to a "paid for solution", in the same way that GIMP just isn't as good as PaintShop Pro.
I think the problem is a lack of coordination, of overall strategy - not than this is something MS is good at providing either ...
Come back AmiPro! There was nothing to forgive! (Apart from your habit of crashing when auto-saving my work, that is - that was unforgivable.)
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This box that I'm on now, bought as a refurb, has Libre. It's a little different than the MS Word they standardize on at the office but it works with their files (and, when so set, vise-versa).
Sure, it has a few things that annoy (and surprise). Some of the font's don't quite space right in Calc; putting 1/4 into a cell, formatted as a date, gives Jan 4 #### (current year). Works every day . . . except 3/4 . Which reformat's to the single-char 3/4. Just discovered: if I push ESC it formats properly.
On the other hand, Office Outlook keeps taking a nap whilst composing, of various lengths on most days - as it spins its little wheel - often long enough where one gives up and restarts. It does know how to format 3/4 to a date when appropriate.
Now - for the price - I'm willing to be hassled by Libre more than by Office.
As for a remote subscription - what if the Internet's down? Notepad++, I suppose.
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OriginalGriff wrote: bought Office 2019.
Where and how did you buy it? I only see option for that 365 BS
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Just do it the way you've been doing it since Windows 95:
Right-click on a file of the type you want Word to open
Open With...
Pick winword.exe from the list
End of story
The UI sucks more and more with every new version, but the underpinnings haven't changed in 25 years.
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OriginalGriff wrote: This experience had better get better, Microsoft, you're on thin ice allready...
So you'll switch to...Linux, and LibreOffice? Oh, wait...
This is me with the phone situation. The more I use watch others use Android, the more horrifying I find it. And I refuse to give Apple any money for any of its offerings. Honestly, what are my options, at this point?
Meanwhile, my Windows Phone lives on. I know it'll die eventually, and I'm utterly unimpressed by the alternatives.
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As Nixrocks said in an article I read,
Quote: MS keeps re-inventing the wheel over and over and over again, but instead of creating a round wheel, they just use random non-round shapes as they redesign, rejecting all feedback from their customers that just want a round wheel. Worse, the leadership has gone on record basically saying that the round wheel is obsolete and they will never return to it. "Clearly the ride quality with Microsoft triangle wheels is a user problem, users just need more training to understand just how awesome our triangle wheels are."
I came across another instance almost equivalent to your 'default app' scenario yesterday. I have Office 2010 with OneNote. I like OneNote's ability to keep a log which I can access on either my phone or through the web, but a few months ago MS decided to screw OneNote 2010 users by disabling OneDrive's OneNote connectivity. Searching around, I saw that MS offered a free retail upgrade to OneNote 2016, and searching around more I found the link on their site. Tried it, and it installed.
Went to run it, and it said that the user name I supplied is not in their database. It was the same one I used for Windows Live, which was how I connected every other time, and how I was simultaneously connected online to the OneNote file. So I figured I was out of luck, and they were now only allowing subscriptions. Out of curiosity I tried OneNote's online link 'Open in App,' and it allowed me to select the new installation. And that allowed me to accept their terms, and get OneNote up and running, which I couldn't do any other way.
 
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