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This isn't black or white situation.
If I work at my station I prefer omnipotent IDE, but not always. Why should I bother with VS for 10 liner program written in C?!
If I am working at other location I prefer smaller apps in general; disk space, RAM consumed, not enough space within monitor, battery life...
SharpDevelop for the win!
When it comes to DB administration or querying, well command line or simplystic query analyzers are all I need.
Perhaps it is just a matter of taste; taste and usability don't go hand in hand all the time.
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I want the right tool for the right job -- not a sledge hammer.
Sure I use VS when I work on WinForms, but mostly I don't. In the late 80s Turbo Pascal and Turbo C had things about right for what I do most of the time -- a simple IDE that allowed me to compile and run whatever code I happened to be working on at the time without requiring the creation of Project files, Solution files, and a directory structure just to write a little code.
I don't even need a debugger, so there should be an option between the two bottom options.
And the options should be multi-selectable because I want to be able to choose a tool based on what I need to do.
Fortunately (for me anyway) I've been working on just such a simple IDE for the last few months and it's been working out pretty well. There is still a bunch of work to do on it, but I use it for most of what I do each day. Of course you'll probably laugh and point because it's a WinForms app so I wrote it in VS.
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I agree. Sometimes i just use Notepad++ for editing a few simple lines of code. Or TextPad, which can invoke external tools (Ctrl+1 to compile Java, Ctrl+2 to run. I've mapped Ctrl+3 and 4 for gcc). But that doesn't mean i don't enjoy a full IDE with IntelliSense.
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I fully agree.
For instance, I use Visual Studio for Windows desktop applications and vi for Linux console ones.
Veni, vidi, vici.
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Hang on I thought WE were the ones who were supposed to be writing telepathic software, atleast that is what I'm asked for regularly.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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but at the end it depends on one's needs. Last time I am more industry oriented. For me (to program robot-scripts and things like that) the best tool is UltraEdit. I have personalized the color-layup and love it, one of the best files comparison I have used, light IDE, it opens almost everything... if it had a compiler... it would be perfect.
But I think, if I were programming high-level languages. I would go for Visual Studio, I work together with other developers using it, and what I have watch / help them when searching for bugs or implementing new functions at tracing server side. I don't think I have seen all functions (last version I used was 2008), but it just is very usefull and really nice. They speak very well about it.
Regards.
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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I love a fully featured IDE but not if it's written in Java and full of bugs.
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milkplus wrote: I love a fully featured IDE but not if it's written in Java or C#.
FFY
Veni, vidi, vici.
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The vast majority of us wants something better than Visual Studio...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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The vast majority of us always want something better than we already have. Visual Studio is just one among the bunch.
The most requested are the neighbor's lawn or bacon.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The vast majority of us wants something better than Eclipse...
FTFY
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I bet the really hot discussion starts, if people were to give their opinion on which IDE belongs to which category ...
And the question was not, which IDE you use and whether you like it, but which category you would like. So saying I like full service, but it has to be extremely easy to use is ok, even if no such IDE exists. Luckily enough, IDEs are getting closer and closer .
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While coding it's better, we think the logic to lay (off - ) our project rather than, bothering about the spelling or names of the member functions.
I have never seen a medium/big project using text editors as IDEs(at least in these days). Are you kidding, over 20 modules, all most 1500 source files and what will I do without an nice IDE.
It would be circling in a desert. You may still get off, but will rather prefer to die ( at least me )
And yes my favorite is Visual Studio.
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I don't want a swiz army knife. I know it's useful and that the several features of it come in handy, but mostly all those many tools on it just make it hard for my fingers to pull the one I really want.
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson
"Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia
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True.
Like I've referenced bellow, ReSharper is such tool.
Despite its hablity to kill the IDE, it has so many functionalities that its atually harder to remenber the key combinations than actually write the code
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I agree, I despise ReSharper
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Although it has reduced features, it's still tough on the fingertips. Like Visual Studio Lite on a smartphone
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Need more than a debugger and an editor but not as big and comprehensive as we have now like VS or Eclipse... I could definitely do with lighter versions with limited functionalities and keep adding whatever I need
Much better to have a lighter IDE that works faster than one with whole lot of features eating both space and memory
Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality!!!
http://aniruddhaloya.blogspot.com
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You would be surprised, I think. I know I don't use all the features of VS, but even the simplest ones (like auto indent) make such a difference, that I really, really wouldn't want to lose them - the productivity increase you get is hard to believe.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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I know and love those features but they for me are more like a part of the editor (refer to Notepad++ or vim)... What I referred to was a number of other features that are hardly or very rarely used in specific project types.
A person using VS for C++ is less likely to use for J# or some other language (not a very good example but I hope you get what I want to say)
Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality!!!
http://aniruddhaloya.blogspot.com
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Amen to that, (an odd turn of phrase for an Atheist, but ...).
I really wish more software was modular, so it was possible to avoid features you never use impacting the speed of use.
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I like VisualStudio.
It kind of gives a lot of functionality without killing the IDE.
If we talk about VS addins we must mention Resharper.
I actually bought a version of ReSharper a couple of years ago but its overkill... it literally kills the IDE no matter what the machine is.
At the time a ReSharper salesman told me that the next version would be a lot faster (at the time v4 to v4.5)... eh, it kept the same.
So bottom line, for me an addin is considered good not only for its functionality but also for the way it keeps it self unnoticed on the overall IDE performance.
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I agree with the ReCrapper bit. Truly worthless software IMHO. The idea is great, but like you said, it kills the IDE.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011) "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
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