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Ah but that's just a different shade of grey.
Seriously though - if we do decide to use 2012 it would make more sense to use dark as default anyway - to support requires a pile of custom drawing code which isn't active under the default OS theme (see the link in the original post), and the more we use it, the more bugs we'll catch earlier.
But it's a moot point for the moment, as we have to support customers on XP & Win2k3. One of our mobile support machines also runs XP, so that would also have to be replaced to use 2012.
Anna
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TBH Notepad++ does 90% if what I need and for the rest I use Netbeans as it's mostly Java and PHP these days for me.
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On my company laptop I have 2010 but I don't really use it.
I'm almost all the time working on a customer premises and using whatever they use there.
I really don't care... Renewing software licenses (specially from M$) is usually too expensive for the amount of benefit you actually take from it.
I've been using all kind of stuff for too many years now... I'm in a phase where I just need to know the rules of the game and I'll just play it!
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AlexCode wrote: I'm almost all the time working on a customer premises and using whatever they use there.
I really don't care... Renewing software licenses (specially from M$) is usually too expensive for the amount of benefit you actually take from it.
You mean you don't care "as long as it's some version of the VS-IDE"? Just try to create a complex WinForm under MonoDevelop, or edit an ASP.NET page using nano or vim.
If I compare the VS-IDE with MonoDevelop, I can only point out that the VS-IDE is loaded with features that improve one's productivity - from the Forms-designer up to the editor for the Assembly.cs file; it's all there.
Then you fire up MonoDevelop, add a breakpoint to a console-app in VB.NET; and start to cry. Not that MonoDevelop is bad, it's a great product - but it's no Visual Studio.
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I have this rule in life that eases the way I handle things, it's called the
"I don't care" rule.
This rule has only one amendment:
It's only applicable if you can't do anything about it.
Basically if I get to a customer that only have Linux workstations and everyone uses Vi or Vim I have to evaluate:
1. Can I do anything about it?
NO? ... So I don't care...
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Pragmatic and effective! I'll give a try next time
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Just try to create a complex WinForm under MonoDevelop, or edit an
ASP.NET page using nano or vim.
Don't know much about MonoDevelop and WinForms, but I did edit a few ASP.NET pages with vim and even wrote one from scratch.
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Moving to another VS would mean going through the IT purchasing process. No piece of software is worth that much misery. I'll move up when my machine finally dies under the weight of crap installed by IT and I have to replace it.
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it hasn't even been officially released yet!
and people make fun of Mac fanbois...
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Chris Losinger wrote: it hasn't even been officially released yet!
Details, details!
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Yes it has - It's been available for download on MSDN for almost a week now...
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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the retail release date is not until the middle of next month.
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Yes, but do you seriously not think that an earlier release for subscribers counts???
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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it definitely doesn't count for people like me, who don't buy the MSDN.
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Are you kidding me? What serious employer who wants best productivity from the programmers doesn't supply its employees with an MSDN subscription?
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
modified 24-Aug-12 3:39am.
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Johnny J. wrote: who wants best productivity from the programmers
productivity is not the product of having access to every stupid thing MS dreams up.
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Damn, you spotted the weak point in my argument...
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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and for the record: i run my own business. and for that, i only need the C/C++ compiler. MSDN would be a total waste of money.
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Chris Losinger wrote: productivity is not the product of having access to every stupid thing MS dreams up.
..that might be, but it is linked to using the best tools.
Let me guess for a second; your OS is from MS, your primary programming language is from MS and your IDE is from MS. Probably your DB and Office-suite too.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: but it is linked to using the best tools.
which vs2012 might not be one of, for my needs.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: your OS is from MS, your primary programming language is from MS and your IDE is from MS. Probably your DB and Office-suite too.
and most are a release or so behind MS's current. so, what's your point?
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Chris Losinger wrote: which vs2012 might not be one of, for my needs.
Same might apply to VS2010, if your happy with your 2008-IDE.
Chris Losinger wrote: and most are a release or so behind MS's current. so, what's your point?
..that we'll have the same borin' bitchin' in two years with the release of VS2014, with everyone using the 2012 version happily.
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There seems to be some confusion on what version Windows 8 supports the installation of VS 2012 Express. I downloaded and loaded the Windows 8 Release Preview Build 4200 then downloaded and tried to install the VS 2012 Express only to find the setup is blocked. (.Net version 4.5.?)
It's not that important, I just wanted a preview of what's new. I only moved to VS 2010 a month ago, so I can wait a few more months for a proper Win 8 installation.
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The VS2012 RTM won't install on a pre-release build of Windows 8 such as the Develpper Preview - it requires Windows 8 RTM.
Anna
Tech Blog | Visual Lint
"Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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There's also a Visual Studio extension I believe. Also, MS did say they would provide an official way to do this. I assume they haven't?
Kevin
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