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I have no plans to alienate those of my customers who still use IE, and do not have the cash to upgrade their systems. It's very easy for us, in the tech world, to play with the latest and greatest things, but there are still companies out there with key systems running on IE6 who can't afford the cost of upgrading.
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So far i found jQuery very appropriate so looking forward for it's new version. IE is always pain in neck and every time we face problem because of it. But without using we cannot be so sure. Once implemented and found it flawless, then yes with love to quit IE.
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I can't get my customers off IE, I can't get them off Windows XP, and I can't talk them out of using Outlook Express.
They tell me I'm crazy to use Outlook 2010, and that I don't know how to truly use email. OK
They pay my bills, the ones on Windows 7 and some search engine mail don't. Nor do the Mac people.
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jkirkerx wrote: They tell me I'm crazy Yet they continue to use your software and pay for it... Makes me wonder WHO is really crazy
I know though. People hire you for your expertise, but whenever you give some good advice they act like they've never heard it.
Our customers also still use Windows XP, IE and the hardware of some users is so outdated that out software cannot possibly run smooth on it (or anything else for that matter). For example, we had a customer complain about it. Turned out he was using a computer bought somewhere around the year 2k which was never updated afterwards...
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}
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I guess that's where they get the money to buy custom applications.
I think it's the old dog thing, if it works, don't fix it, and a bit of pride mixed in, I'm the master of my computer.
Most people look try Windows 7 for a day, and spend hours looking for outlook express so they can get their email setup.
I think I'll wait a year on the Jquery 2.0
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Best browser to download another browser
Thanks and Regards,
Anand.
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Dead right. IE only used to download other browsers. I dont remember I used it as part of development work.
AlbertDadze
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Dead wrong!!
I use Chrome on my laptop w/cell-connection to download the Chrome installer to a USB flash drive, then use it to install Chrome.
Yes, I do this even when Chrome installer is already on the thumb-drive. Waiting for a 3G download of 17MB+ is *way* more fun than even thinking about using IE !
Not that I'm biased or anything ...
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What are the tradeoffs? (Didn't read the article)
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In what way?
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed” “One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Curse that still have to support IE7 for one of my applications.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage Tech Gossips
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep!
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The (theoretical) answer is to check which browser you're using and load the appropriate version - v2 and v1.9 will work much the same way, so if the browser is not an old IE you load v2 (meaning a faster page load because the file is smaller over the wire), and if it is old IE you load v1.9 (slightly slower page load).
In practice, I'd probably stick to v1.x for the near future - if you load it from the Google code cache version it's most likely cached in the browser already so there's no additional stuff over the wire, where v2 isn't in most people's caches yet until there is mainstream adoption of V2.
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I mean, seriously just for the sake of some negligible percentage of IE users why should one compromise and not use JQuery...
coding my world, compiling my destiny
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I heard there is a guy in San Antonio Texas who still uses IE,
and a couple of elderly fellows who are members of the South China Athletic Association...
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There are a lot of public and private organizations/companies using IE 6-8. This is their policy for their own reasons and it happens all over the globe. I know a lot of cases where employees are not allowed to use any other browser or even install them.
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6% for IE8 and below is still higher than Opera.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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The government only allows IE....
(maybe that's changed, but I doubt it)
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Deveshdevil wrote: why should one compromise and not use JQuery...
There are versions of jQuery which very well support IE.
Dropping IE 7/8 support is just a bit early (it will eventually happen) and our clients won't like that idea. So currently it's a NO for us.
..Go Green..
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Many organizations still use IE6-8. As another poster mentioned, IE8 ships with Win7 which companies are still running. At the company that I work for, IE10 is banned because of compatibility issues with other mission critical applications including our vpn connection. This is not MS's fault as they don't own these products. But nonetheless, we will be on IE8 until these issues are resolved.
IE isn't a bad browser. The team @MS simply can't move as fast as independent browser companies because upgrading IE involves upgradinging other products such as SharePoint, Windows (windows authentication), and Office (web viewers). In addition, Microsoft still has to support IE6-8. The desktop market is revenue generating, the browser market isn't. As a result, a desktop market share =>90% demands that you continue to support older browsers for companies that have products built to run in those browsers. So call MS victim to their own success if you will but, there are talented developers and engineers at MS. Let us not forget who invented the technology that makes jQuery possible, and now SignalR.
I do believe you will see more separation of concerns as it pertains to IE as it has already began in IE10 and Windows 8. As evidence of what's to come, consider that you can now write Windows desktop (WinRT/Windows8) applications in HTML5 + Javascript or standard .NET.
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Just as simple as this:
If I have a business that depends on my web page, say like a webstore I should be concerned if some of my possible customers won't be able to buy from me just because my "genious" web developer thinks IE is crap.
Most web users don't even know what a "browser" is.
They just know that they have to use something to access the internet and do their thing.
It's up to us developers to make sure that their experience is as good as possible.
Personally I prefer to aim low and feed them all than aim too hight and leave some users behind.
Cheers!
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AlexCode wrote: Most web users don't even know what a "browser" is.
This is a very condescending statement. But Yes
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed” “One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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AlexCode wrote: Most web users don't even know what a "browser" is.
That might be true however when they are told on the TV that their favorite angry birds game is played best on Chrome they will change. With Chrome taking the share of browsers you have to realize that many users are becoming aware of these requirements because of the "educational" commercials that google puts out.
For those that don't want to switch we always have chrome frame that html5 boilerplate[^] encourages.
as if the facebook, twitter and message boards weren't enough - blogged
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It's pain for developers.
Cheers by,
Anand Ranjan
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