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So they think you know it enough to dislike it so you "Must" really know it
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It was a no go situation.. we don't discuss it.. force me and I'm gone..
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I really refused to write in Classic ASP
By the way, ASP remains supported until 14 January 2020 by Microsoft
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Not flat out refused in a project, but most of the time an alternatives offered. Most shop would consider if you know what you are talking about. Worst project I've had was using JSP for IVR system.
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We have a big client that really wanted their site to be rewritten in WordPress. I understand the plugin ecosystem, training needs, and business case, but good god do I ever want to not maintain it.
Which of course means I am now maintaining it. Good. Great. Thanks.
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The place I worked had two teams, one that worked in S/370 Assembler and the other that programmed in COBOL. I was on the Assembler team and the general consensus was that the COBOL programmers needed help getting dressed in the mornings.
I was assigned to work on a phone billing program. We'd get a monthly data tape from the phone company and my job was to break the billing down to departments.
The data tape from the phone company used all the different data types the S/370 supported. I figured I'd spend more time chasing bugs in the data conversion routines than actual programming, whereas COBOL had all those conversions built-in. So I chose to write the program in COBOL instead of Assembler.
The department head gave me a lot of grief over that decision, we were the Assembler team. I argued it was a business problem and therefore it should be programmed in a business language. In the end, they rationalized that they could throw maintenance of the application over to the COBOL team.
I poured my soul into that program. In the end I claimed that if my program couldn't figure out the billing, you couldn't do it by hand either. It was self adjusting and didn't need maintenance. The program found the phone company had been over billing us $5000 a month.
After I left the company, (the phone billing program was the last I wrote for them) the person who was assigned to take over the program called me to say the company had wanted to expand the use of the program. They had gotten an expanded data tape and wanted to know how long it would take modify the program to accommodate the extra information. The programmer was swamped at the time and said that my program produced an error list and they should just run the data through the program and he'd give an estimate from the error log. The programmer was calling me to tell me that the program figured out the new data by itself and didn't need any adjustments.
I about flew around the room in happiness, it was a smart as I had intended.
Psychosis at 10
Film at 11
Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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Congratulations! A good programmer can be always good no matter that tools he uses.
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I always have trouble with PHP and refuse coding with this language.
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Reject coding in any interpreted language! In particular those with weak typing, but most interpreted languages are weakly typed (to varying degrees).
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Moving to a new job, I was told that a decision was to use Tck/Tk to develop a GUI for their system - it had a CLI, and the GUIs only way to interact with the system was to issue CLI commands. Noone in the company was famliar with Tcl/Tk, but the management had made the decision based on magazine articles praising the language...
After almost two years, and writing 30-40.000 lines of Tcl/Tk with lots of horribly unstable program logic to manage that clumsy CLI interface, I spent a summer vacation rewriting 90% of the logic and data structures in C, using Tcl/Tk only for putting graphical elements up on the screen. After my vacation, I replaced the Tcl logic with C without telling anyone - not until they started wondering why the GUI had become so much faster, and more stable, too. Since the translation work had been done without any sort of advance approval, and "in secrecy", at first I just said that I had rewritten "a few core functions" in C to speed it up. Since I was the only one working on the code, it took a while before the others realized that "core functions" covered everything up to (but not including) the actual graphic drawing.
In those days, Tcl was 100% interpreted directly from source code, so it was really dead slow. A while after I had done my translation, a new Tcl version introduced just-in-time byte code translation, which could in some cases speed up loops by a factor of 5. But the Tcl language was still the same same - that is to say: Terrible! I will never more accept to use that language.
Every time I see a web page displaying tags for e.g. bold/italics, rather than displaying bold/italics text, or devouring characters because they were treated as escape characters because the escape character for marking the escape character as a ordinary printable character was removed in the preceeding HTML processing step... Then I am reminded of Tcl, where you have to know the depth of the call stack before a string is actuall used, to determine the appropriate number of levels of quoting/escaping at the point of call. Actually, escaping/quoting in Tcl gave such traumas that today I avoid handling HTM as well, as far as possible, because HTML to a large degree shares Tcl's "traits" when it comes to escaping/quoting.
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Never faced this dilemma!
I started with writing code in Symitar. Then came the opportunity to move to .NET Web Services. From there, moved to ASP.NET to WinForm applications to SharePoint. All required coding in C#. Now in SharePoint, I am working in lots of client-side technologies using Ext JS and other JS libraries.
So looking back, I think, all these opportunities were great and I was kind of excited to work upon them. So didn't had to refuse writing code in a language, yet!
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I was once forced to add a lot of business logic in JavaScript whilst updating a project from Web Forms to WebApi and Angular.
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After 10 years of SQL Server/C# development experience, i applied for a software developer position where it was clearly indicated in the job description that the required skills are SQL Server, C#, ASP.NET MVC & Javascript but the HR people sent me a Microsoft access/VBA take home test during the interview process. Sorry i lost interest at that point.
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Coming from Objective-C and Xcode native environment, it felt like I'd been lobotomised trying to code in C# on Xamarin, then swapping to Android Studio or Xcode for anything UI-related. Everything took 10x longer to do. And trying to force MVVM on top of MVC, and having to wrangle that abomination that is Android...
(Yes, I preferred Objective-C over C#... but now I have Swift to play with, so C# is a blunt instrument in my eyes )
I soon resigned, so maybe I did win
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Language is the least problem in terms of software development.
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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Not sure how to answer this one. No one has ever asked me to write code in any language.
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Sounds like "no" then.
Tim Lesher <<A HREF="mailto:tlesher@gmail.com">tim@lesher.ws>
www.lesher.ws
WinDev: the Windows Developers' Mailing List
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Back in the dark ages, I did a university course something along the lines of "Survey of Computer Languages", which involved writing a simple program or two in various languages of the day. FORTRAN, APL (!), a couple of others I forget and the dreaded COBOL.
At the top of the second COBOL program I wrote
THIS IS THE SECOND COBOL PROGRAM I HAVE EVER WRITTEN.
I SINCERELY HOPE IT IS THE LAST. It got rejected, and I was asked to write another. I never did.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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VB rules the dark side of the software universe. VB 6 is indestructable.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Many years ago I interviewed for and got an asp classic role with a bank in the city (of London). Cool - so I turn up for the first day and go through all the usual on-boarding stuff and meet my co-workers. The manager puts me with the guys I'll be working with and says they'll show me the ropes.
Then we start to talk and it turns out that the role is not for asp classic, but jsp and java beans or some-such non-microsofty fluff.
So I go talk to the manager and he tells me that they had decided to go with asp for new projects and, between interviewing and starting, had changed their minds and decided to stay open source.
Kinda didn't work out.
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So, have you found other option?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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??? This was a long time ago, when asp classic was still the dogs bollocks and .Net hadn't even been thought of yet!.
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Actually, I was asking, if you start looking for another job or were you continued working regardless
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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Oh , tight. No, left there and then.
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I even did VB.net for a year. It wasn't a pleasant year, though.
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