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Where are all the XP-ers? laurenberry3-Aug-04 16:58 laurenberry 3-Aug-04 16:58  No comments is pretty high up the list. Re: Where are all the XP-ers? Jon Harley4-Aug-04 3:42 Jon Harley 4-Aug-04 3:42  The XPers are missing in the "No design upfront" response too. I was going to add that some analysis and design upfront is good, too much is a waste. BTW, that's not strictly an XP habit. Most agile methods subscribe to 'just enough' principles. Hmm.. the worst programming sin has gotta be Jörgen Sigvardsson1-Aug-04 13:07 Jörgen Sigvardsson 1-Aug-04 13:07  asin (or was that the worst programming joke ever?) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter Errors? What errors? bang! Michael Dunn1-Aug-04 11:32 Michael Dunn 1-Aug-04 11:32  Bad/no error handling is the worst of the lot, because if the code is badly-written or -designed or -formatted, it can still work. None of those sins will make it crash, nor do they affect the user (aside from UI of course). But if the code blows up as soon as some error condition happens, you've ticked off your users and given them a bad impression about your software. --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? I think so Brain, but if we shaved our heads, we'd look like weasels! Code formating Alexander M.,31-Jul-04 8:51 Alexander M., 31-Jul-04 8:51  I hate software with bad code formating. And this is only one of many reasons why I don't like UNIX based products, especially linux! Don't try it, just do it! Re: Code formating Manitoban7-Aug-04 4:05 Manitoban 7-Aug-04 4:05  Don't blame the platform. Blame the programmer. Have you ever looked at the MFC source. Yuck!! I'm curious about the UI ranking Andy Brummer31-Jul-04 6:27 Andy Brummer 31-Jul-04 6:27  For those of you that are suprised about about UI getting the lowest ranking, what kind of development do you do? Are the applications you write that closely tied to the user interface? I've spent most of my development career doing enterprise web development, so I've seen more failures caused by misuse of resources making entire websites completely useless. I've also replaced nearly the entire front end UI of applications several times during their lifetimes with little change to the middle and data layers of the applications. I've had to devote 10 times more effort fixing any of the other problems then UI problems because they could always be swapped out relativley easliy. I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon Re: I'm curious about the UI ranking Alex Korchemniy31-Jul-04 11:07 Alex Korchemniy 31-Jul-04 11:07  Talking about UI. I double as a graphics artist for my company. Its amazing what graphics can do for an application. Most of the programs value comes from what the user experiences - the UI. You are correct about being able to swap out the UI very easily. However, you have to make sure that your application is properly designed in the first place. Re: I'm curious about the UI ranking Andy Brummer31-Jul-04 11:16 Andy Brummer 31-Jul-04 11:16  I guess that is what I was getting at, if you design your app correctly from the beginning, you have the flexablility to fix major problems like having a bad user interface, but it is another order of magnitude harder to fix code that was piled together by a bunch of 3 handed monkeysTM. Trust me, I have tremendous respect for people that can design a good user interface, and do good graphics work. Anything I've ever done has been either total crap, or only appreciated by people that think like me, which is yet another reminder that I don't think like most people. I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon Spollin irrors Krissh30-Jul-04 4:44 Krissh 30-Jul-04 4:44  Bad spelling realy pass me off Gupta Team Developer 3.1 VC++ 2003 Oracle 8i W2K-XP Re: Spollin irrors Alexander M.,31-Jul-04 8:50 Alexander M., 31-Jul-04 8:50  hehe, I really had problems understanding the answers. Don't try it, just do it! Bad user interface - last place Vladimir Afanasyev29-Jul-04 22:22 Vladimir Afanasyev 29-Jul-04 22:22  It is surprise for me... We all work for users. Bad user interface - it is what user see first and it is first user's opinion about application. If it bad the user can be in bad humour about another things even he don't see their yet. All history of programming beginnig from Ada Loveleys till now it is a way to good user interface. The programmers are very carefully about own interface - visual IDE, UML etc, etc, etc... But what about users - they see weakest command line in application or ugly bad-builded forms. Sometimes this interface perfect - a lot of visual controls but it sometimes remembered the control panel of fighter pilot. And it is again the bad interface. Poor, poor, poor users... Re: Bad user interface - last place Michael P Butler29-Jul-04 23:40 Michael P Butler 29-Jul-04 23:40  As was said in the early thread, from the choices available poor UI is the least important sin. Personally I believe that UI is not a programming task, UI is something that is best left to people better suited than programmers. Michael CP Blog [^] Re: Bad user interface - last place Johan Rosengren31-Jul-04 9:19 Johan Rosengren 31-Jul-04 9:19  Good structure + Bad UI = Easy to fix. Bad structure + Good UI = *shudder* I would say poor, poor, poor, poor users of an app that looks great, is easy to use and crashes all the time. I guess I'm more code-process oriented Marc Clifton29-Jul-04 15:40 Marc Clifton 29-Jul-04 15:40  attempting to implement a design pattern and getting it wrong, or, more generally, faulty design->implementation process useless unit tests/out of date unit tests comments that aren't kept up to date with code revisions inappropriate use of client-side SQL, data adapters, data readers, etc., optimizing something in the wrong place implementing a solution for something that already exists in the API (I've done that many times, sad to say). Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net Spelling errors Ravi Bhavnani29-Jul-04 3:38 Ravi Bhavnani 29-Jul-04 3:38  Maybe it's just me, but I'm bothered by the fact that many native English speaking developers are atrocious spellers. Innefficient coding No pre-codiong design and planning /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | Freeware | Music ravib@ravib.com Re: Spelling errors Charlie Williams29-Jul-04 4:51 Charlie Williams 29-Jul-04 4:51  You have a point with "Innefficient", but I'm sure "codiong" is just a case of chubby fingers Charlie if(!curlies){ return; } Re: Spelling errors NormDroid29-Jul-04 4:55 NormDroid 29-Jul-04 4:55  und Im 1 off thme. Re: Spelling errors laurenberry3-Aug-04 17:01 laurenberry 3-Aug-04 17:01  who cares! you knew what they meant Gotta Love... J. Dunlap28-Jul-04 13:45 J. Dunlap 28-Jul-04 13:45  ...some of those text answers! Sticking an infinite while loop in the code before leaving for Australia for a few weeks. ExtremelyLongFunctionNamesThatResultInCompoundSentencesAndTakeMeLongerToTypeThanTheCodeInTheFunction(); Most of them above actually. Especially bad grammer as in "pre-codiong". It's a good thing that is not a variable in a program.[Note that there is one grammar mistake and one spelling mistake in the answer!] not enough C****Ctrl [Hey there's an idea! Put that word in the filter list!] "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower Re: Gotta Love... Anonymous28-Jul-04 15:24 Anonymous 28-Jul-04 15:24  Yes, and the word is "GRAMMAR" - with an "A", dude! Re: Gotta Love... Frederick S Jones29-Jul-04 4:17 Frederick S Jones 29-Jul-04 4:17  Well, damn. Apparently, nobody's safe from making spelling errors. "Get that finger out of your ear! You don't know where that finger's been!" I just wonder... peterchen28-Jul-04 9:50 peterchen 28-Jul-04 9:50  what "codiong" means. Is this like extreme programming on Prozac? we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr. sighist || Agile Programming | doxygen Re: I just wonder... Marc Clifton29-Jul-04 15:26 Marc Clifton 29-Jul-04 15:26  peterchen wrote: what "codiong" means. It's shorthand for a piece of cod being accelerated at g by an ion propulsion system. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net Re: I just wonder... Andy Brummer31-Jul-04 12:30 Andy Brummer 31-Jul-04 12:30  Good one. I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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