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C++ is *NOT* a superset of C. Here is some valid C code, but invalid C++ code:
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enum A<br />
{<br />
X,<br />
Y,<br />
Z<br />
};<br />
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enum a<br />
{<br />
x,<br />
y,<br />
z<br />
};<br />
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A someFunc()<br />
{<br />
a a_=x;<br />
<br />
return a; <br />
}
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Actually that code wouldn't compile in C or C++. You have just proved u know neither language! 
I think you wanted to do this:
enum A
{
X,
Y,
Z
};
enum a
{
x,
y,
z
};
enum A someFunc()
{
enum a a_=x;
return a_;
}
And this doesn't really prove anything beyond C++ has stricter type checking than C. This does not change the overall picture. We can point out hundereds of differences, we can even throw in K&R C style and compare it to ANSI C style, the little differences don't really mean much. I'm talking about the overall picture that everyone agrees with, C++ came from C and thus at some level they have similarities. Those similarities are what I am refering to, not little compiler differences.
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touchee! Yes, I forgot the enum keyword. Shame on me. Yes, C++ does have stricter type-checking. But still, C++ is NOT a superset of C. Please see this website: Incompatibilities Between ISO C and ISO C++[^].
I understand your point that C++ came from C, but that doesn't mean that C programmers can program C++ -- or vice versa. My mistake of forgetting the enum keyword is an example. Yes, I have programmed in both languages, but as you can see, I forgot one important C rule. And a long time ago, as a C programmer going to C++, I hated the strict type checking on enums because it ruined some things I was used to (like enumerating bit-masks).
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But you do have to admit that the differences are not earth shattering. If you would have compiled that code, saw the error, I'm sure you would not throw your arms in the air and say "I can't do this!" you would probably have just put "enum" in front So while there are differences in syntax and usability I don't think they are that great that you couldn't just fix your code to compile. Obviously C++ has more keywords that perhaps a C programmer has not been exposed to (class for example) but if they understand OO I don't think it would be impossible for them to learn.
I know I joked about forgetting enum on the front but in reality I don't think it's that big of a deal and it's easily fixed. It doesn't change the logic of the program.
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I couldn't disagree with you more.
Regards,
Alexandru Savescu
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Toby Opferman wrote:
It hides too much of the details in a language oriented towards being lower level. This is definately one of the downfalls of C++.
In C++, you can be as high or low level as you want. Therefore C++ is ultimately better than C.
Toby Opferman wrote:
C++ is also the wrong language for OO since it's a relative of C which is essentially trying to be a portable macro assembler.
Not languages are OO, people are.
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>> In C++, you can be as high or low level as you want. Therefore C++ is ultimately better than C.
Disagree, it's worse. Because you are mixed you cannot pick when to be high and when to be low! Go use java.
>> Not languages are OO, people are.
I agree with this statement. I really meant to say it's the wrong language for high level constructs.
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I agree that in the wrong situation or in the wrong MI can cause nightmares, but is programmer error MI's fault. It is really, really, REALLY powerful if used properly and I don't think because there's the opportunity to screw things up is good enough reason to condemn it.
Besides, I'm very biased. I think every feature of C++ is the best. C++ > everything.
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I've always wondered why there's no support for multiple inheritance in C#. Has been removed for performance reasons? or just due to dumning down?
Joel Holdsworth
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Everything derives from object in C# hierarchies. Therefore, if MI was allowed you would automatically have a "diamond of death" each time you use it. Unless of course, all inheritance were virtual, but that would be too costly.
I think C# really misses not a full-fledged MI, but some form of mix-ins.
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Ok, that makes sense. I like the phrase "diamond of death" - I shall remember that one!
Joel Holdsworth
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AT the .NET Launch conference, the fellow that gave the keynote claimed that only a few people actually know how to design languages, compilers, etc. for Multiple Inheritence. They ommitted the feature for that reason.
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Well, they do have MI in C++, so I'm sure they could have asked the C++ guys something 
Regards,
Alexandru Savescu
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Alexandru Savescu wrote:
they could have asked the C++ guys something
Or Eiffel guys, or CLOS guys, or even Python guys.
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That seems to show that a few people actually know how to design languages, compilers, etc. [period]
In my mind, C# is more of a product from Microsoft than an language per say.
That is, of course, just an opinion.
I like MI because I want the language to allow me to express myself as much as I can, and there are not many interesting relationship apart from "is-a" that defines inheritance in the first place, and you find that quickly, modeling "real world objects" in OO diagram, you quickly find use for multiple inheritance!
Lets map the "problem", not the "solution" (Problem is the real world object, Solution is the "interface" coming from the computer science bag of tricks)
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It can be a good thing but in the wrong hands it can make a developers life a nightmare.
Michael
CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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I couldn't agree with you more!
Jerry
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