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The question was asked below "For those not working in IT what are you doing?" and every answer given would fall into my definition of IT (Information Technology). Now maybe because I do not work in IT (I am a farmer) I have a way too broad definition in my head. Can someone please explain to me what IT is and why the answers given below are not IT jobs?
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Information technology: In my opinion its those things like:
- Computer science
- Software engineering
- Database architects
- Database developers
- Software architects
- Software developers
- ...
- Hardware engineering (depends, those who only make PCB's aren't)
It's really a wide area to work in. so I don't know, you are a farmer. (not IT that's clear) but does someone that creates databases and automated excel sheets for his company work in the IT? I don't know.
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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Farmer?  , and you've written some good articles, hat's off to you PJ you've certainly good a skill to work in 'IT'.
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There are quite a few CPians who are farmers - there must be some sort of logical connection between the two fields.
Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen
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David Wulff wrote:
logical connection between the two fields
Farmers - Fields, excuse the pun 
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norm.net wrote:
excuse the pun
No way, that was way too bad to let you get away without a slap. 
Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen
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I'm totaly off topic I think but I wrote an essay on Winslow Homer
and Stepen Crane once, for my English class (preparing for my IT education;)
"The Veteran in a New Field, 1865 Winslow Homer (American, 1836–1910)"
Having experience in an other field, is often a tremendous asset, in the IT field.
Regards,
Kriss
C#
Gupta Team Developer 3.1
VC++ 2003
Oracle 8i
W2K-XP
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Probably because neither of our job descriptions mentions the amount of sh*t bovine byproduct we are required to shovel...
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And that suprises you?
I actually studied for a career in IT before I came back to my senses and went back to the family farm.
"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03
"Obviously ??? You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04
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Hehe, I hear that alot. Here in the Netherlands loads of people wend in the IT and came back screaming from it :P
They thought they would earn golden mountains, but discovered that there was a lot of skill needed to actually make a difference.
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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Heh...
Reminds me of my dad. Graduated back in the early '70s, after having put himself through college working in apple orchards. Faced with the choice of a career teaching math, an IT field that at the time was IBM mainframes and little else, or more work in the orchards, he went back to orchards and farming (though eventually found himself teaching maths to his own children).
Me? I could go my whole life without another job involving animals. Apple trees are still cool though. 
You must be careful in the forest
Broken glass and rusty nails
If you're to bring back something for us
I have bullets for sale...
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PJ Arends wrote:
I actually studied for a career in IT
Ah, I see.
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Since I'm the poster in question, I'll take a stab at it. "IT" is an acronym for Information Technology.
I define an IT job as a position involving supporting company information infrastructure. This includes network and data base administration, and in-house application development designed to support business processes within the company. I consider that to be separate and distinct from product development (although it's not uncommon for us to fill both roles at times).
Since most of us here at Code Project have an "information technology" (i.e. computer-related) job, I assumed that the question was posed in this more restrictive sense.
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Ok, I can live with that. I had assumed the broader meaning and was suprised at the number of non-IT people and what they considered non-IT jobs. But your explanation lays it out nicely for me.
Thanks
"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03
"Obviously ??? You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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PJ Arends wrote:
I had assumed the broader meaning and was suprised at the number of non-IT people and what they considered non-IT jobs
Funny, I focused more on that "not working" part of question.
David
Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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That's how I've defined IT and how I generally see it being used. IT are people who do network administration or who support in house VB applications and the like.
People who write packaged software, do research and the like I don't consider "IT", I consider that "Engineering". So where I work, we have an Engineering Department, an IT Department and even an Engineering Research Department.
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....so now getting back to work.
-prakash
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I'm currently doing "voluntary" work for my Shorinji Kempo local branch. I'm writing software for score keeping at Embu* competitions. For once it's quite relaxing, eventhough I'm doing it for free. I suppose it's the instant gratification that does the trick. Everytime I send a version to my sensei, he's always says something positive about new features and how the application looks and feel. He's also interested in the technical aspects, eventhough he doesn't understand everything. He was just blown away by the fact that I was using IE to render the user interface. He had no idea that you could do that, but understood instantly the potential by using IE and thus HTML to create the user interface.
At work, what I do is for paying customers. Sure, they pay may salary, and for that I'm thankful. But you never hear anything from those who truly enjoy my software. You only get upset phone calls from those who have managed to screw up their machines so badly, that my software no longer works. I.e., losing database drivers, remapping network drives, etc. The only gratification I get is the monthly paycheck, which is not what my ego wants.
* Embu is japanese for something along the lines of "demonstrated fight". It's not a free fight, in fact it's not a fight at all. It's a demonstration, and all hits are "touch only". Points are awarded for many factors, grace, focus, stance, etc.
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Schni Schna Schnappi! Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp!
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Everytime I send a version to my sensei, he's always says something positive about new features
Did he show you some secret killer moves? 
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I've learned a couple of moves "outside" my curriculum, but I am nowhere near good at executing them. But yes, he's shown me a couple of very painful wristlocks. Morikawa-sensei from Japan did a wristlock on me that still sends chills up my spine everytime I think about it. 
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Schni Schna Schnappi! Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp!
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Morikawa-sensei from Japan did a wristlock on me that still sends chills up my spine
How about an animated gif demo?
Boredom, Bull$^%&, Baggage, Bar - all start with 'B'
Coincidence?
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There is a GIF demo on that particular move somewhere (and several other Shorinji Kempo moves). If I remember tonight, I will find it and post a link to it here. Just picture yourself that one is a japanese sensei, and the other one is a half crying grown, vigorously hitting the floor with the free hand, in an attempt to show that he has submitted.
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Schni Schna Schnappi! Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp!
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
But you never hear anything from those who truly enjoy my software.
True. There is a worse situation, however, when your applications are ignored and put on a shelf. I used to be a defense contractor, where I wrote software for the U.S. Air Force. There were two projects I worked on, one for 16 months, the other for over 20, both of them simulations. The 20 month project was used for two weeks, and the 16 month one not at all. This is acutely frustrating, and the primary reason why I got out of the defense industry and switched to commercial.
My applications from the last 15 years are in the hands of thousands of users, and while I don't hear a lot of positive feedback, I do get it occasionally.
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Heck yeah.
I hate writing booooring business database-y software, but it pays pretty good.
I really don't consider it programming tho.
ACTUAL programming is doing something on your own for fun.
Like writing a midi sequencer or somethin.
...Steve http://shazware.com
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What is the meaning of this term?
Best regards,
Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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