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I understand. The irony for me, I guess, is that I'm developing in an open source language on an OS whose company's business strategy is polar opposites of the open source movement. Some things in open source you do have to pay for but you're also given the source code for evaluation or even modification. Also, the provision of the source code fuels community development for plug-ins or mods to the software that maybe the original developers hadn't thought of, thus improving the software to meet the needs of more people in a much quicker manner. I believe Microsoft would cringe at the thought of any of their software being modified or improved and them not getting any money for it!
Use Java!!!
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I like this kind of reasoning Firstly, I work in a software company and I make money by writing software. My view is that there will always be the need for polished applications that are customized for the specific customer. This way I am not affraid to loose the job. I also use free code sometimes. Sometimes, I do help for free to others.
This is like in a human life. You have family, relatives, neighbours, friends. You do more for them than for the others. Simply put, you distribute your energy unevenly -- you give more to the ones that are closer to you (or in concrete or in abstract sense). The same way, you get the energy from those around. Your customers usually "do not love you". They are willing to pay only if you give them something that bring them more. In other words, there must be some ballance. This is, in my opinion, the source of heated debates whether Open Source or Free is better, whether GPL or BSD or whatever licensing is better. It depends on the human social feeling also.
One extreme is "pay for everything that you get and they will pay you for everything that you will give". The other extreme is "you have everything for free but you also have to work for free". Apparently, both extremes are unrealistic. In my opinion, both extremes are also unsocial even though the "free" alternative seems very kind. The problem is that the software can be copied for everyone who needs it but the interface to the more physical world is also important. Keeping ballance is important.
The strange manifestations of the extremes can be observed on big companies that behave more like machines, less like people. Say Microsoft and Google. You may have heard about exciting conditions for young programmers at Google. Still, I believe that it is an experiment that will not work in long term. While I agree that it is nice to have good working condition, the Google approach is the extreme that also decreases effectivenes of work. (Do not tell me that there are not also "programmers that do not spend too much time by playing games...")
Our planet is too small. Working uneconomically in the sense of energy (physics) also means that more people die from hunger.
Petr Prikryl
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It's amusing to see people constantly posting questions in relation to the use of operating systems for gaming, development, and or general use.
However, the problem I'm pointing out is not in the question - it's in the audience (Yes, we are a problem :P). If you were to poll TCP's users for what their primary operating system is, I can guarantee that well over 75% would say "Windows."
If only there were a OS-neutral development site to ask this same question on...
"Silently laughing at silly people is much more satisfying in the long run than rolling around with them in a dusty street, trying to knock out all their teeth. If nothing else, it's better on the clothes." - Belgarath (David Eddings)
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I see you have a point. However, such questions always have a meaning. No matter what site is posting the question, getting the answers will show interesting things. The fact that 15% os CP members develop in Linux and another 4-5% in Mac shows that Codeproject members are not as biased as someone may think...
A site NOT posting such questions would be troubling me. Not the ones that do.
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Remember, this is a "multiple answers acceptable" poll. Your statement carries the overtone that the 15% of linux developers are only Linux developers. Given that 97% of the voters answered Windows, that leaves only 3% that do not develop on windows. The other 12% of linux developers (such as myself) do both.
Judy
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Why not take the poll in context, i.e., "what O/S do CodeProject voting users use?"
This is our own little world - and knowing who's in it isn't such a bad idea.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
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The beauty of writing analysis code is that you are only constrained by the machines you have access to. The ugly side is that most of the code ends up being very portable Fortran 95 with a mixture of F77 in just to make me cringe at reusing ancient code. Right now I'm simultaneously developing a tool that runs on OSX, Windows and with little effort will run on Linux.
Yeah I know its ugly and uses namelist inputs, but at least I get to pick where it runs and where I develop it.
Someday I'm going to get back to writing in a language that uses pretty code and has a lovely interface, but until then...
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firegryphon wrote: that runs on OSX, Windows and with little effort will run on Linux
How about OpenVMS? The latest OPenVMS hobbyist license pack includes FORTRAN.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: How about OpenVMS? The latest OPenVMS hobbyist license pack includes FORTRAN.
Oh I'm sure I *COULD* compile it for that, provided it is a F95 compliant compiler. The key though is that since I'm using the Intel Fortran compiler, I'm pretty much guaranteed of any code working on all three of the original platforms listed, but not necessarily guaranteed of it working for other compilers. I commonly read the F95 standard just to make sure what I'm doing is fully compliant, but I find that when I go between compilers that someone else read that same statement and thought it meant something different so that the new compiler doesn't compile everything correctly. I've found that going between gfortran and Compaq/Digital or Intel requires a not insignificant amount of work when dealing with more sophisticated programs.
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Yep, just 97.4% of them. I actually develop on anything that is needed, but most of the time that is a PC. My favorite is a multi-boot quad core machine with that currently spends most of it's time running 2008 Server, VS2008, SQL Server 2008.
Len
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I have to develop under windows. We are resellers for a management software that only supports windows. So all the solutions I write are for that piece of software.
Dewm Solo - Managed C++ Developer
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I use Windows because mostly of programs and games run on the Windows only
So I have to use it.
Sorry for my English. I'm a freshman .
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Correct. Most programs and games run on Windows.
However this is no reason for not using Linux or other platforms if you want. Programming in C++ for example is not very much different in Windows or Linux. If you design your program / application on paper in detail, then you will have no problem porting in any platform.
So actually it is a matter of choice. Most people use Windows because of the great support they get from Microsoft and the vast variety of ready libraries they can use. On the other hand, many libraries exist for Linux as well...
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Programming in C++ for example is not very much different in Windows or Linux
Yes , you're right. But I think these days are end times for C++ so I'm learning C#.
Sorry for my English. I'm a freshman .
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Your english are better than my chinese, don't worry!
Indeed C# is the future.
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Good thing C# can be run on Linux, so we .NET developers can try Linux.
"Listen, and listen well. I really like the band N-Sync. My favorite member is Harpo. I think there's a Harpo. If not there should be. I will write their next hit, maybe 'A boom-boom chiky chiky boom-boom a boom-boom chiky chaka chaka cho cho.' By the way, you must beware of Betty's iron claw. They are sharp, and they hurt. And beware his song about big butts, he beats people up while he plays it! " - Master Tang (from Kung Pow: Enter the Fist)
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Personally, I focus mainly on Windows for two reasons. (1) Market Share. (2) Support for Developers. With things like the Action Pack, it makes strong financial sense for me to use their stuff to develop my stuff.
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coz it is a very heavy windows side based website, so the most votes gets windows.
But many people dont like Vista too much and the new trend to really cheap notebooks will kickstart the demand for Linux. So the future will get interesting..
Greetings from Germany
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I agree Windows will get highest vote here, but I don't think Linux can ever replace the popularity of Windows.
Kamal Singh
(Senior Software Engineer)
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I would disagree...
Microsoft is only popular because of good business decisions in the dinosaur era. I'd bet that if Linux was half as popular back then as Windows was, that Microsoft would not be a corporate GIANT today.
Not to mention that the greater number of developers for Linux would mean faster innovation
"Silently laughing at silly people is much more satisfying in the long run than rolling around with them in a dusty street, trying to knock out all their teeth. If nothing else, it's better on the clothes." - Belgarath (David Eddings)
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I'm not sure even "faster innovation" is a such good idea; a language a day keeps a doctor away?
As someone mentioned, Linux lacks software - not command line, but something a peson without IT education can click away on on a PC you bought from the shop.
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And maybe this is a good thing, because it stops an entire world of money hungry, greed oriented corporate vampires from moulding and raping Linux from a problem solving, open source, command based tool of incredible potential into a single purpose, prettied-up prostitute of an OS sold on face value to mindless robots who just go with the flow.. just my thoughts
Logan
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... but let this command line tool be accessible by mouse click. And since computer is better at remembering things, let this tool show me a check box for each option.
It was fun 25 years ago - learning by heart all 800 pages of system manuals and editor script options, and interrupt specifications. Now I do not want to waste my time on reading manuals even for mobile phones. And did I mention, I code on laptop, so I prefer not to stretch to reach the keyboard that stands in the corner, but code with a mouse (preferably, not moving it around the screen much - takes too much time )
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