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You need to be able to judge a tree from the different shades of green its leaves might have...
When I was a child, the trees in my drawings often had green trunks and brown leaves. I think a forester should do something if he sees such a tree in reality... (No idea what, but for sure something.)
Regards
Thomas
www.thomas-weller.de
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
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...call National Geographic?
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A friend of mine don't see difference between red and green. He is not allowed to be professional driver, however he has driving license (at least traffic lights are always in the same order  ).
Once he said the most annoying part of it is when he pays using credit card. He always hear:
"please enter your pin and press green button"
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"My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."
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He is not allowed to be professional driver, but he is allowed to drive for private purposes ?
I personally am not afflicted that serious: I reliably can distinguish a tomato from, say, kermit , but when it comes to buying clothes, I better have someone with me...
Regards
Thomas
www.thomas-weller.de
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
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Thomas Weller wrote: He is not allowed to be professional driver, but he is allowed to drive for private purposes ?
Exactly. It is one of the mysteries of life (or of law) 
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"My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."
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Eyes and laws are a curious couple indeed.
Same goes for piloting an aircraft: With glasses between -5.0dpt and -8.0dpt you are able to get a recreational (RPL) and private pilot license (PPL), but you must have better eyes for a commercial pilot license (CPL)  . You need almost flawless eyes to get a airline pilot license (APL), -2.0dpt max.
The only difference between a PPL and a CPL is that with a PPL only you yourself can determine your destination; with a CPL you are allowed to be told where to fly to.
To stear a little to the topic: with a color-deficiency you cannot get a pilot license, period.
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joep.b wrote: with a color-deficiency you cannot get a pilot license, period.
Not only that I'm not allowed to become a forester or an electrician, I also must not become a pilot??? Poor me!
You really ruined my day...
Regards
Thomas
www.thomas-weller.de
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
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Tell me about it. I have -5.25dpt glasses. That's barely over the limit... you can't get any closer...  .
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But you can reliably recognize all the colours out there, albeit somewhat blurry?
Regards
Thomas
www.thomas-weller.de
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
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Yep, even more than the standard spectrum, but even that didn't give me any advantage...
I'm one of the 1% people that can even see somewhat infra red and ultra violet, but I can't focus on it when it's 20cm from my face.
Don't think I can enjoy a more colourful world than other people, it's just that I see IR as a faint red and UV as a faint blueish glow. It doesn't really add all that much, but it's damn useful to check wether the remote for the TV is broken.
Joep
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I think red and green are the most common colours for colour blindness - I am colour blind to red and green, although I cant say I have ever mixed the two up - green and brown yes and blue and purple (oh and dark blue and black too).
Not sure what it all means apart from the fact that I drew brown xmas trees on home made xmas cards 
At university studying Software Engineering - if i say this line to girls i find they won't talk to me
Dan
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Thomas,
I have exactly the same problem you describe. It does appear to be a slight color-blindness, protonomaly, a deficiency in one of the three cones. I used to always describe it in the same way, I can tell red from green from brown, mostly. But is that reddish-orange, or orangish-red. My wife can show me three different shades of white, and say one has more green in it, another has more tan, and the other has a hint of yellow. I just see three different shades of white, but can't determine what makes them different.
You'll also have some trouble if you want to get a pilot's license. Both times I've gone for my medical, I've squeaked by the color-blindness test by guesswork and the good graces of the nurse. I can detect just enough difference for it not to be a problem.
Cheers,
Carl
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That is the most commen type of color blindness.
The color cells in the eye are of two types:
Red/Green and Yellow/Blue.
Color blindness is a deficiency (or absence) of either or both sets of these cells to correctly respond to colors. It does, in fact come in degrees, and these are measureable. Total color blindness is only a small subset of those considered color-blind.
The measurement consists of an image made up of colored circles of varying shades of either red/green or Blue/Yellow. The are so arranged that a number may be seen if the colors are distinguishable, and a different number is seen if they are not. This operates by taking advantage of color vision dominating shaded vision. If the colors are not distinguishable, then the number perceived is made up of various shades of gray (or green or red).
Color-blindness is not an obstacle to driving (for example) so long as the driver-to-be can either (1) perceive the color differences of red and green lights, or
(2) remembers that red is always the top and green the bottom.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to stop bothering them and just go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
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I often heard about red/green deficiency, this is not too rare for men. But I never heard about a corresponding yellow/blue deficiency. Any idea why ?
Regards
Thomas
www.thomas-weller.de
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
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From the Wikipedia:
Blue-yellow color blindness
Those with tritanopia and tritanomaly have difficulty with discriminating blue and yellow hues.
Color blindness involving the inactivation of the short-wavelength sensitive cone system (whose absorption spectrum peaks in the bluish-violet) is called tritanopia or, loosely, blue-yellow color blindness. The tritanopes neutral point occurs near a yellowish 570 nm; green is perceived at shorter wavelengths and red at longer wavelengths. Mutation of the short-wavelength sensitive cones is called tritanomaly. Tritanopia is equally distributed among males and females. Jeremy H. Nathans (with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute) proved that the gene coding for the blue receptor lies on chromosome 7, which is shared equally by men and women. Therefore it is not sex-linked. This gene does not have any neighbor whose DNA sequence is similar. Blue color blindness is caused by a simple mutation in this gene. (2006, Howard Hughes Medical Institute).
Or, go for the whole story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blind#Blue-yellow_color_blindness[^]
Some time ago I was looking for a summer job - and tried out in a pigment plant. They give you an amazingly extensive color vision test: matching tiles. Here's the setup:
A stack of 64 mixed tiles, 16 each of r,g,b & y in dull muddy shades
A matching sheet containing 4 rows each of 16 r, g, b, or y tiles that are NOT ordered by shade.
You are to match them to one another.
But
There is not one of each.
So, no guesses, now relative comparisions: they either look different or you can't tell.
My Y/B was found to be exceptional (putting an end to some arguments I had in lab).
My R/G was ca. normal (slightly below, but within 1 or 2 tiles, which is a normal deviation).
To this day, I argue with people about blues, dark blues in particular, as compared to black. I also have to (try to) explain to people that the color temperature of the light illuminating a subject makes a huge difference.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to stop bothering them and just go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
"It's a sad state of affairs, indeed, when you start reading my tag lines for some sort of enlightenment?" - Balboos HaGadol
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Alexandre GRANVAUD wrote: what if i see all colours but some switched ?
How would you know?? :P
Sad but true: 4/3 of Americans have difficulty with simple fractions.
There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Same here, trouble with red+green. But it's not color blind, so I didn't vote. Voting color blind probably skews these wonderful statistics.
So, if you feel that more computer geeks are more color blind than average, vote "blind".
Otherwise vote "no". 
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Actually, that is what is called 'color blind'. The inability to distinguish different colors is color blindness. It is not ALL colors; normally just red and green.
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That's definitely color blindness.
It's strange, though, that it hasn't gotten a politically correct acronym yet... Like CVD for color vision deficiency.
I have trouble with red+green, but actually it's only the red color component that is the problem. I perceive red color less vividly than other colors, so I for example have trouble viewing red text on a black background, while I clearly see green text on a black background.
peterchen wrote: So, if you feel that more computer geeks are more color blind than average, vote "blind".
No, that is not correct. The question was if you were color blind, not if you think that others are color blind... Freely interpreting the question as what you think that it should be really would skew the statistics...
Despite everything, the person most likely to be fooling you next is yourself.
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Where I grew up there was a clear distinction between a deficiency and total blindness, this is also distinguished by the standard tests. (And definitely not for political correctness - that had a completely different meaning )
Guffa wrote: No, that is not correct.
I was more expressing how I value such a black&white question.
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I am quite color-blind, about as bad as you can be without seeing just pure black and white. Without contextual clues (like the order of the stoplight, jeans are usually blue, etc.) I have a really hard time distinguishing these color combination:
Red-green (really common in men)
Blue-pink-purple
Yellow-green (a real problem with LEDs in electronics that I work on)
Brown-red
And any kind if "subtle" (mauve, salmon, taupe, etc.) or non-primary color is kind of lost to me.
This is caused by missing "cones" in my eyes, an inherited condition.
"Color blindness (color vision deficiency) is a condition in which certain colors cannot be distinguished, and is most commonly due to an inherited condition. Red/Green color blindness is by far the most common form, about 99%, and causes problems in distinguishing reds and greens."
I recommend taking one of these tests:
http://www.sometests.com/tests/SelfAssessment/TheColorBlindnessTest.html[^]
But, my point is, as software engineers, it's really important NOT to put such a huge percent of users needlessly in a difficult position. For example, never use color as the primary indicator of state; combine color with an icon or text. Use "color blind safe" pallets. There are examples of these on the Internet. If you go out of your way to have a color-blind-friendly product, chances are it will also be better for normal users.
PS. I've never had a problem seeing a traffic light, although I did once try on a pair of purple jeans in a store!
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Let it be know to all who perceive this communique:
The wearing of plaid pants by adult males is a crime against nature.
Thus was it written,
Thus was it read.
For those committing aforesaid atrocity,
Your "friends" are laughing at you,
the pretty young maidens shake their heads in pity,
and your particular idea of diety is crying
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Balboos wrote: Thus was it written,
Thus was it read.
Thus was it written,
Thus was it red.
Software Zen: delete this;
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First time I came to the Code Project I thought the designer of the site was colour blind...
Oddly enough I've grown to love the orange and green and regularly try and get orange into my websites. A method to Chris' madness.
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