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Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to help out I'll look into the few changes you suggested.
Have a great day.
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New egg has memory for $40 less as well
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Thank you for pointing out newegg as I will be searching other vendors to save money. I just left the amazon checked when I started playing around on pcpartspicker to put parts together but believe I will be going okay who has the stuff for $5 
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He does need a video card. Could go cheaper though.
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I refuse to buy from Newegg anymore, when a cheap drive I got from them was defective and they would only take it back for a replacement, no refund.
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I've never gotten a defective part from NewEgg.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I agree with JSOP that the video card and power supply are overkill and you could save some money with lower specs. The only other thing I would change would be to eliminate the spinning disk and go with another SSD instead. One more thing...do you really need 32GB of RAM? 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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We need lots of memory joking I may bring it down and just upgrade if I need more down the road. I'm still trying to figure out a good combination as it's frustrating when you research everything comes up build the ultimate gaming pc like no I don't need all that.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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Historically I have built my own workstation, but for my current system, I went against my better judgement and bought one off the shelf. I was really disappointed when I opened it up to swap out the HDD as there are no extra SATA connectors...I can't add another drive without losing the DVD. It actually worked out for the better as my 'data' drive is now portable, hooked up to USB. After adding a 5.1 sound card and a fresh copy of Win10 pro I probably have around $700 in it...considerably cheaper than any past build I've done. It'll do. Also, it's much quieter than anything I've ever put together.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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It's another option to consider just not having good luck finding a decent off the shelf computer my google-fu skills are not working well for me at the moment just as I said earlier when you search for pc ideas and such everything coming up for me, myself and I is very nice but not what I need monster gaming systems.
With your and John's suggestions I'm getting the specs lowered that I think it will work well for me along with options to upgrade at a later time if I need more memory or such.
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I’ve never seen a pre-built desktop box that is adequate. I can build the same or better machine for less. I’ve been building my own desktop boxes since 1984.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I have 32gb ram in my main desktop box, and it boots to Linux. I run a windows VM for dev work, and give it 4 cores (out of 6) and 16gb. If you’re running vm’s, 32gb is pretty much essential. I also agree on the SSD instead of an analog drive, but they can get pretty pricey above 500gb. Also, writing to a SSD will eventually wear it out, where an analog drive is more durable with related writes.
I run my vms on analog drives and they are more than speedy enough (they boot much faster than they do as a normal bootable OS on a disk), and I could see an argument for running them from a SSD, but I think the benefit would be marginal. On the other hand, booting a VM from a SSD so you could do dev work would surely be much faster as far as Visual Studio and/or SQL Server is concerned.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
modified 30-Dec-18 9:06am.
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Thank you for letting me know I was sort of on the right track about the memory and my thoughts about analog drives. My idea may not be the best is the SSD is for the OS just so it comes up quickly and then the extra drives will be for data/programs/virtual machines.
Thanks for your time and now off to shopping to see if I can find any leftover deals to get my parts cheap enough.
Have a great day.
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I would put programs, like your compiler, on the SSD also. They will load much faster and compiling from an SSD is much quicker.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Thank you for the suggestion something to consider that I wasn't thinking about while putting the specs together.
Have a great day.
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kmoorevs wrote: One more thing...do you really need 32GB of RAM?
As soon as you bring in virtualization, yes.
If you need a couple of test environments, and want/need to leave them running all the time, 32GB is a decent point for a realistic mixture of Windows OS versions. 8GB won't cut it, and with 16GB, you'll constantly be shutting down/restarting individual VMs, looking for spare RAM. With 32GB, it pretty much becomes "fire and forget" - launch them, and always leave them running, so they're always available.
I personally also need to have instances of MS's SCOM and SCCM, and those are memory hogs, so I'm currently at 64GB and wished my motherboard could take more. But until I had a need for them - I went from 8 to 16 then 32 before I found that to be the sweet spot.
Of course this is all my opinion, YMMV etc etc.
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VM's do better if you run them on separate SSD's and give them plenty of memory. My W10 dev machines tend to run over 100 GB. I have 3 hard drives dedicated to them, 2 SSD's and one RAID 0 pair.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Thank you for taking the time to answer and I'll look into your suggestions as I answered another post may not be the right idea my first ssd I was just going to leave the operating system on it then extra ssd's for Data etc but sounds like I might need to rethink and research my plan some more.
Thank you again.
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Get the largest SSD you can afford, 250gb will not hold your c drive.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Thanks my idea and sounds like I need to research more was the small ssd was just to run the operating system only and then use extra ssd's as data/files etc.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: 250gb will not hold your c drive.
Really?
I have separate, full dev environments running inside 128GB VHDs, and have never had a need to make anything larger. But perhaps that's the key...? Not lump multiple instances of things together?
I don't have anything running on the host other than necessary drivers. Since I never reboot it, for the longest time, my host OS was on an 80GB spinner - but with the VMs on SSDs.
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There is a vast difference between the c drive contents and a development environment, all those other applications you may need/want usually get installed on the c: not just your dev tools.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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All I know is that all the VMs I use for work are each running inside a single VHD, and I always stick with the default of 128GB.
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I agree there is a difference and I did in my design update the c: drive to a bigger ssd as to accommodate the OS and potential any other files that will get copied to the c drive if I were to install programs on other drives and such.
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Alright here are my advices:
- If you are going to work on a specific device for hours almost every day for years, don't try to be cheap. Splurge a couple of grands for something that will last 4-5 years. 50 bucks per month times 60 months is 3000.
- Don't trust AMD. Get Intel.
- Get full media candy including an upper level sound and graphic card. You never know what are you going to be working on.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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