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Thinking back to the time when it was first sold for about £20 in the UK, I can now say to myself it was the best £20 I never spent.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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I like it.
Access everything with the search.
Tiles, much quicker than any start menu item.
Defender, everything safe.
Looks cool.
Note sure what people are bitching about. Just learn how to use it.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Rage wrote: Access everything with the search.
I can do that already, but a file manager is a lot more efficient, 99% of the time.
Rage wrote: Tiles, much quicker than any start menu item.
I have in excess of 300 start menu items, each of them accessible with two clicks. How many dozens of swipes would it take for that -- also bearing in mind that a lot of programs with completely different functions have similar names, and that a lot have names that don't actually tell you what they do?
Rage wrote: Defender, everything safe.
Defender, a big target.Rage wrote: Looks cool.
Like Hell.
My desktop looks cool, as do lots of other people's. Win 'ate looks like baby blocks -- nothing cool to see here; move along.
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Rage wrote: Access everything with the search.
The start menu does exactly the same thing without switching you to a completely different screen to do it
Rage wrote: Tiles, much quicker than any start menu item
We used to have Desktop icons before search, and that's effectively what the Start screen is (or just a more integrated version of the Apple Launchpad)
Rage wrote: Defender, everything safe.
I have Windows Defender on Win7. And it's not safe. None of them are truly safe.
Rage wrote: Looks cool
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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OK, I think everything is subjective, so maybe there is no point in discussing here. I only find too bad how everything new always "suck".
According to the amount of "xxx sucks" posts, I suppose most people here must still use WinNT with Visual Studio 6 on their computers, because these were soooo better than everything that was released after them... 
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Rage wrote: How much time do you need to navigate to an executable while it takes less than one second to type it ?
That's assuming that you know the name of the executable, which, as I said, can have nothing to do with its function, e.g:
- "Arachnophilia" has got nothing to do with spiders.
- "Flashpeak" has got nothing to do with volcanoes.
- "Wink" has got nothing to do with cute girls.
- "iSpring" has got nothing to do with Tigger.
Rage wrote: 300 menu items ? Why would you need them if you can search for them ?
How about because, for example, I have 18 different programs (many of which have multiple executables) for creating/editing diagrams/graphics.
All I have to do, with the start menu, is go to the "Graphics" sub-menu, and all of them are listed for me there, so I can choose the one I want.
What search string should I use, to match that perfect functionality "All graphics/diagram editors"?
And arranging baby-blocks by program type is a damned sight more time-consuming than dragging menu items to different sub-menus -- not to mention that you'd still have to sweep through page after page to find the program groups.
Rage wrote: And you'd at least need to scroll or change pages, because no 300 items hold on one menu page.
Perhaps your degree course should have included something about using sub-menus -- but if you don't use a computer for lots of different things, e.g. only for Visual Studio, e-mail, and browsing the Interwebs, the OS GUI is pretty irrelevant: they'll all enable that for you efficiently enough.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yes, I eventually think you are right, Windows 8 sucks.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Hwa?
What just happened, there?
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I have deleted my post, since obviously the subject is too, well, subjective., and I perfectly understood why Win7 is better suited to your work model than Win8, and why Win8 "sucks".
Plus, your answers are getting very condescending to me (yes, even _I_ happen to know what is a sub-menu), and I have no intention in being bashed just because I happen to be the only one to like Win8.
Oh well, even writing these lines is childish. 
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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I'm not condescending; I just take the piss.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Rage wrote: I only find too bad how everything new always "suck".
That's not true.
Only the new stuff that sucks sucks. You'll see plenty of praise for good new stuff.
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Chris Maunder wrote: We used to have Desktop icons before search, and that's effectively what the Start screen is (or just a more integrated version of the Apple Launchpad)
My favourite iOS/Android function: Stack Desktop icons to create directories.
That should have been in every OS GUI since day dot -- and it's still not in Windows!
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Rage wrote: Defender, everything safe.
*phew* I didn't realise you were joking until I saw this.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yes, improved performance in virtually every aspect of the system is awful...
Performance Tests[^]
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Yup. That'll last.
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You know every OS is faster when you first install it, right ?
I installed, and ended up pulling out the notebook battery, after an hour of updates installing ( on super fast internet, it was not downloading anything ), and messages like 'Windows will restart in 2 days to finish installation'.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Hey Christian, it might be time to change your sig to "Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista AND Windows 8"!
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Actually, yes, I am planning to do that.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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1) It's not OSX.
2) Under the covers, it's an improvement on Windows 7. (Even though I've adapted by putting everything I need on the desktop or taskbar, and replaced all the full screen metro crap apps, I'd rather they just made a Windows 7.1. I do miss Aero.)
3) The ribbon on Explorer has proven useful when turning on/off "Show hidden files".
I should add that the start screen was helpful the other day. I'd installed an app, though I'd checked to put it on the desktop and hadn't. I had no idea what the executable name was (it wasn't what you would have though based on the installer and company.) I opened the start screen and there it was.
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Yeah, I am sure some things are improved. And I installed a start button replacement and have decided to remove it, better learn the new than try to turn it in to the old. My first day was pretty hellish though.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Spent the morning at the Remembrance Day service with my daughter who is in The Brownies then a good few hours down my allotment with my mum in the afternoon.
Then taking my mum home I was waiting to turn right at a junction when there was a loud skidding of tires followed by a massive impact to the back of my car. When we came to a halt again about 60 foot further down the road leaped from the car, looked back to where the car that had hit me was sitting with almost no front end and pissing liquid all over the road.
Severe lower back pain so I rested against my car and stayed there til the ambulance and fire brigade turned up. They put me on a spine board, immobilised my head, lifted me onto a stretcher and into an ambulance.
The other woman had her car roof cut off and lifted out then loaded into another ambulance.
They eventually decided I had no spine fracture and let me go home, aching like f*** just about everywhere, my mum has whiplash and a concussion.
My car (a Mondeo) came off considerably better than her Ka, but the boot is deformed, possibly a back door, haven't had a good look at it yet. Going to be a fun morning on the phone to my insurance and finding somewhere to work out exactly what is wrong with it. At least my dad was able to drive it home and avoid the hundred odd quid it would have cost for the police to remove it.
Christ but I ache. Sore neck, shoulders, back, bruising across my chest from the seatbelt. But nothing that won't heal shortly enough.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Glad you'll be OK. Was the other driver texting?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Don't think so, just an older woman who got it wrong, hadn't realised I was stationary.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Touch wood, hope your mum recovers and the other driver survives, aches and pains can be lived with, busted stuff is dramatically more debilitating.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Paramedic said the other driver showed no serious danger signs, they were being more careful because she hit the steering wheel and is awaiting a triple heart bypass so hopefully she'll be ok.
My mum has some neck problems anyway and was adamant she was ok at first, we had to bully her into get seen at the hospital a bit.
Will see how she is doing in the morning.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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