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0. Those who experience life with a deeply ingrained sense that they are "normal," and, thus, are entitled to judge the sanity of others.
"What Turing gave us for the first time (and without Turing you just couldn't do any of this) is he gave us a way of thinking about and taking seriously and thinking in a disciplined way about phenomena that have, as I like to say, trillions of moving parts.
Until the late 20th century, nobody knew how to take seriously a machine with a trillion moving parts. It's just mind-boggling." Daniel C. Dennett
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I get your frustrated but really? this is your reason Microsoft sucks? not the failed Win 8 (Run at home and like), not the failed WinPhone (Have in my pocket and like) but the lack of listing the Framework version bundled with the OS in Add/Remove programs?
You need to get your priorities in order my man.
Don't comment your code - it was hard to write, it should be hard to read!
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Why? It's another example of MS institutional stupidity. Why not treat one specific thing differently because it was installed with the OS? And not everything installed with it? Simple: multiple teams which don't talk to each other. And that's why Win8 is so bad, and Windows phone is a bit cr@p compared to the competition, and VS2012 shouts at you, and why the stupid ribbon exists at all, and...
Because no one person is making any decisions. So any idea that seems cool gets into production even if the market testing says it's garbage.
Don't get me wrong, I use MS software and when I'm not swearing at it I like it. But I also use an Android tablet - and I can see which is developed with a clear aim in mind, and it doesn't say "Microsoft" on boot up...
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You mean like have a 3.5 and 4.0 Client Version and full version so many times you have to explain to users why they downloaded the wrong one?
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Not only do i hear ya Griff, i feel your pain however; on the list of things MS should fix i don't think this could possibly get any lower so to call this why MS Sucks doesn't seem right.
Don't comment your code - it was hard to write, it should be hard to read!
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But it's only [one of] today's suckness.
speramus in juniperus
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OriginalGriff wrote: I use MS software and when I'm not swearing at it I like it. But I also use an Android tablet - and I can see which is developed with a clear aim in mind, and it doesn't say "Microsoft" on boot up...
Amen.
If you'd said to me five years ago that I'd be happier using an OS other than MS, I'd have told you not to be daft.
With almost 30 years' experience of MS OS power use under my belt, the idea of not wanting to continue with MS should seem ridiculous, but it isn't, any more.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: With almost 30 years' experience of MS OS power use under my belt, the idea of not wanting to continue with MS should seem ridiculous, but it isn't, any more.
Hear hear. I feel the same way. After all these years I am finally thinking of going back to Unix (Linux now of course)rather than continuing down the "controlled cloud or nothing" path of MS (and Google).
I started on Mainframes and look back at that time with nostalgic fuzziness; good ol' Fortran (with a side of COBOL and PL/1)! Then some Minis (basically just small mainframes for those born after 1980), Vax, Xerox, DG - still with Fortran and then C, and then sometime in the 1980s it was DOS and then Windows 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11, etc. Fast forward 500 years to the present day and I am doing C# on Windows 7 desperately trying to avoid the cloud, Windows 8 and VS2012/13 - not necessarily in that order!
Ho hum, yacc and vi, anybody?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Real men use Emacs,sed and awk.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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OriginalGriff wrote: and I can see which is developed with a clear aim in mind, and it doesn't say "Microsoft" on boot up...
Clear aim, you mean treating its users privacy with utter contempt?
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Um. You think Microsoft is whiter than white here?
Google "Microsoft NSA" and you might find a fair amount of speculation in a different direction. Of course, you might also attract unwelcome attention, but... 
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Hardly, but try as I might I cannot see how you'd get that impression from my post. 
Still there's a difference between complying with illegal government demands and deliberate profiteering off its users. Google is like a wood tick. They probably won't drink enough blood to kill you, but once you discover them you'll probably pull them off in haste and have the creepy crawlies for a good long while.
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You seem confused about the today part. It's a standard subject for what is infuriating you right now.
Like most companies, my employer seems to be pretending w8 doesn't exist, so it's not capable of infuriating me on the job yet.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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You are right, i was looking at it as a 'Kids today' kinda thing when you were talking 'This is what pissed me off Today'. Confusion was on my part, ill head back into my hole now.
Don't comment your code - it was hard to write, it should be hard to read!
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Why Foo Sucks Today probably peaked on the lounge 2 years ago; but it still comes up every once in a while when someone gets annoyed and decides to hop up onto his soapbox for a few minutes.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Trust me. Remembering that there's a magic trick to get the installed versions of .net in IE is less likely to be remembered the next time I need to check what frameworks I have installed on my machine than poking around in the out of control panel will be.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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This is going back a bit (showing my age!) but I remember having Vis Studio 6 installed on my work PC, installing a beta version of .NET (0.93 I think and .NET & Com having a turf war leaving me to wonder what the elephant was happening. This led me to have two dev machines until VS-2003 I didn't trust it!
Glenn
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When I first tested the Win 8 beta I discovered the dot net framework 3.5 was not installed by default.
So my programs would not work.
To install it you go to programs and features then the turn windows features on or off then check the box for the 3.5 framework.
It is the same in 8.1, not installed by default.
I don't know why they would disable it to start with.Unless they thought it would help the system load faster.
It is the same mentality that decided to bury the Default setting to delete all email from the server in outlook. who knows how many important emails I lost on set up the first time.
if you would like a utility based on this code.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh925568.aspx[^]
Written in vb.net. framework 3.5 email me using the link.
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I thought apps were supposed to fail forward to newer framework versions by default. Am I mistaken, or did you set a flag on yours so it runs on 3.5 only instead of 3.5 or newer?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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actually my apps were built in vs 2008. so the max it supported was 3.5
i've seen post where there are sometimes problems in vs 2010 targeting framework 3.5 but I don't mess with vs 2010 projects enough to have figured it out.
I am not aware of any fail forward. If it targets 3.5 then it would be required the best that I know of.
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It sucks.
Seriously, I decided to give it a whirl and I am not enjoying being shouted out all the time; I know there is a switch for the shouty menus but I cannot be arsed to find it. I'll try to persevere and settle in with it, but I may just have to step back.
speramus in juniperus
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This covers what you need:[^]
However, it is better to remove the VS2012 downgrade and go back to VS2010 (recommended fix).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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