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As far as I know they still work on commission so I would imagine some of them would still used hard sell, but I think he misread his customer in this case.
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We bought a Toyota Corolla a few months back. The experience was fine. Lengthy of course, but there was no hard sell. I think the hardest part was my son and I convincing the wife that we should get the blue one rather than the grey.
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No, I don't like having to crouch to get into a car and much prefer the high seating position and view that I get with an SUV. Plus I'm over sports cars.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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mark merrens wrote: Plus I'm over sports cars.
Sad. So sad.
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You have to bear in mind that I spent years working on all manner of sports cars so really not that big of a deal. Prefer a nice SUV these days.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Working on? Tell me more. I used to run a small garage years ago, when mechanical engineering turned out to be a sh*t career and before I switched to software.
I did all right, but its dirty boring work after a wwile. Used to get all my trade down the pub. Mates of mates etc.
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I used to own a small auto repair shop that specialized in British and European sports cars and restoration of vintage and antique cars. Used to enjoy it - miss it still. Even kept some of my more treasured/expensive tools! It's a young man's game though I'd love to restore something. One of these days...
Did no servicing of 'ordinary' cars. All word of mouth stuff. Good little business ruined by a divorce. 
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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SOunds nice Mark. The kind of thing to do when you get sick of looking at f***ing computers all day. Perhaps I will take it up when I retire.
I had a Triumph Herald years ago, it was pre reg, 57 it was made. Fun car though, simple, roof off in the summer, and fun to drive. Thats the most classic I had, but the Fiat Coupe was the most impressive, a future classic for sure, and damn quick.
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Used to like Triumphs: had a few including a 1966 Vitesse. That thing could move!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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2 liter or 1.6? The 1.6s were death traps, the old Herald rear suspension, too much power.
I seem to recall that the Department if Transport told Triumph to change the rear suspension for the 2 liter Vitesses, least it become too dangerous.
I used to love it in the Herald though, I put a 1.3 Spitfire lump in mine, that was enough. Every corner you turned into it, then corrected immediately because the back end would always come out. Great fun to drive though, a real laugh.
Cost me 10 quid from ma scrap yard, weled up the chassis, put it through an MOT, then used it for years. Broke down every few days, ,always something simple though. You could fix it with any old bits and pieces you found to hand.
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2 Liter, straight 6 with O/D. Green, of course. Cars didn't cost a lot back then!
I had a bright orange Mini 1275GT while I was at college which was great because I was able to use it for all the practical work. Boy that thing could move!!!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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I had mates with souped up Minis, I drove one once, they are a lot of fun, like a gokart, the 1275 must have been a lot of fun to drive. I was secretly envious of the feel, but being a comitted Italiam car lover at the time, I couldnt admit it.
I always fancied putting a Spitfire windscreen and soft top on my Herlad, to make it a kind of drop top coupe and put in a decent lump, a Fiat 2 liter twin cam for example, but I got rid of it because it just fell apart from rust. Mind you, it was almost 30 years old at the time!
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mark merrens wrote: I think I hurt his feelings
Not possible. He is a used car salesman.
mark merrens wrote: when I told him he was putting too much pressure on us so we were going somewhere PRIVATE to talk about it! He looked so forlorn!
That is because he just bought his girlfriend a diamond something for Christmas and he still needs to find something for his wife.
Don't feel bad for him. He was being too aggressive and needs to be told off.
Go someplace else for the car where they are not so hard sell.
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Try this: "I know what I want. Your obnoxious hard sell approach has lost you this sale. I'm going to XYZ Motors instead."
And then walk out the door and go to XYZ Motors.
Salespeople who take the approach you describe have relinquished all expectations of polite behavior.
The simple truth is with all the online resources for buying a car, there's no excuse for the hard sell any longer.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Years ago we bought a Honda S2000 and did pretty much that...
Salesman was giving us the hard luck story and refusing to drop his price.
So I said not to worry, we'd go to another Honda dealership which was only slightly farther away from home and see if they could do a better deal.
He almost begged us not to leave, but I pointed out that he had just told me that that was his best possible price - and I couldn't possibly believe anything he said if he was not to tell me he could do better.
Wifey phoned the other dealer on the monday morning, explained that the original dealer wouldn't drop to our price.
He agreed the price, threw in floor mats and a coupe of other bits and pieces, drove to her office with the paperwork and we had bought a car before the day was out.
I now use the same technique whenever we buy a car. I decide what price I want to pay, for what model, with what options, go to the dealer, tell them, and if they can't do it, leave. The last time (only a few months ago) the dealer had called me back twice while I was still on my way home, leaving messages that "his manager had agreed that they could possibly do a better deal."
In that particular case, the deal they negotiated with me was so good, nobody else could beat it, so they did get my business & I saved nearly $3k on a $13K car! (how times have changed since the S2000!)
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
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(That's an 'M')
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_Maxxx_ wrote: I decide what price I want to pay, for what model, with what options, go to the dealer, tell them, and if they can't do it, leave.
That's the way to bargain for everything. Only after you've determined that no vendor will meet your price point do you come up. By all means, let them make an offer first, just in case you can get a lower price, but always have the upper limit in mind, and don't go over during a bargaining session no matter what.
Currently reading: "The Prince", by Nicolo Machiavelli
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In 2001, I was shopping around for a new car. Knew exactly what I wanted, so I went around to the Chevrolet dealerships around Denver, asking them for a price on this model with these features. Told each of them I'm buying on Monday of the following week, get back to me before then.
I (naively) thought that the dealer would see this as the easiest money ever: call GM, ask how much to get what I wanted, add their acceptable profit, and call me back. Can't possibly take more than 20 minutes.
I got exactly one response. I actually had some guy at the dealership < 1 mile from my house tell me that he'd have to put in an order for the car before he could give me a price. Yeah, let me get right back to you on that...
Hopefully things have changed since then. It shouldn't be this difficult.
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We bought a Prius a few months ago. The sales guy was trying to explain that they (he) did not want to come off of the MSRP because we would save so much on gas money. My wife and I said "Ridiculous!", we are already paying more for this vehicle due to the hybrid. We had been keeping our eye on a particular car for the last few months and knew that they had not been able to sell it.
We ended up paying $100 over invoice which I thought was an acceptable price. I have been liking it so far. I am getting ~45 MPG without trying or ~50+ MPG if I try to hyper-mile it.
Another posting could be done on the inflated numbers shown by the car's instantaneous MPG as well as its trip MPG readings vs. my own calculations when I fill the tank.
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There was a lawsuit recently where a lawyer sued one of the car companies because she wasn't getting anything like the stated mileage. She lost. Wish I could recall the detail.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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this.
On the phone & can't even figure out what to search for anyway. Leslie Neilson if you must.
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On my Crimbo list. BTW, Mr DD has the same picture on his FB timeline...
speramus in juniperus
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Yeah, that'll work. 
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Doing nothing will work better?
Take the democratic route, and sign if you wish.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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