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RyanDev wrote: and from a developer point of view, Microsoft dominates so clearly
You sure about that? If you're doing .NET, then (at least until recently) using a Microsoft OS was your only choice, but .NET isn't the majority development platform these days (don't know that it ever was). I do know that every (non-.NET) developer conference I've ever been at, Macs have dominated the room by an enormous margin. My Google-fu has failed me though, so I don't know if anyone has ever actually looked at OS usage by developers at a statistical level before.
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Vark111 wrote: I do know that every (non-.NET) developer conference I've ever been at, Macs have dominated the room by an enormous margin.
Clearly. 
Vark111 wrote: so I don't know if anyone has ever actually looked at OS usage by developers at a statistical level before.
Don't know. But there are more Windows applications than there are apple so I would have to believe there are more using Microsoft.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Clearly.
Just to be certain: you do realize there are Java developer conferences and web (node/js) developer conferences and Android developer conferences. All of which can be accomplished on Windows machines, but the vast majority of devs I've seen use Macs. That was my point. Not that iOS devs use Macs.
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RyanDev wrote: got sued too many times by people who said it is Microsoft's responsibility to keep their software up to date and secure
I remember plenty of articles discussing the various lawsuits filed against Microsoft, but I don't recall this ever being the case. Can you provide one link?
RyanDev wrote: now Microsoft forces updates and everyone else is complaining now claiming that Microsoft has no right to auto-update their software.
I still maintain that WSUS is well worth the couple of GBs it downloads every month, because nothing can get installed unless I explicitly approve it. It had existed for a decade already by the time I decided to try it out, but now there's no going back for me. Especially in light of the "forced" Windows 10 upgrade, which has never been a problem on any of my machines.
I realize this is not a viable solution for most people, but for us developers? I'd make the argument that if you have at least half a dozen PCs and VMs for testing (as you would as a developer), then it's practically a must.
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dandy72 wrote: Can you provide one link?
google.com 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I read you loud and clear. I will take your claim as seriously as your response.
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dandy72 wrote: I will take your claim as seriously as your response.
That's your choice.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I was being serious, and you provided a non-sense answer. Your claim:
got sued too many times by people who said it is Microsoft's responsibility to keep their software up to date and secure
Show one instance where somebody filed an actual lawsuit claiming MS needed to step up their attempt at pushing their updates. It should be easy, since they "got sued too many times" for this...no?
[Edit]
I'm not defending Microsoft - I'm just saying they never got sued for this.
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dandy72 wrote: Show one instance where somebody filed an actual lawsuit claiming
I already said no. If you are interested then you look. I'm not having a debate, I simply having a conversation. Do you ask for links to support things when you are conversing with your neighbor? Probably not.
dandy72 wrote: I'm just saying they never got sued for this.
Whether a judge in court upheld a lawsuit is really irrelevant which is why I have no interest in chasing you on this silly tangent.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Do you ask for links to support things when you are conversing with your neighbor? Probably not.
No, but I never simply take wild claims as fact either. And when someone can't be bothered to make any effort to support said claims, then to me that means there's nothing to support. It's not up to me to prove you right.
But then, as you said, this is a conversation, not a debate. End of story? 
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dandy72 wrote: wild claims
You admitted that you saw a bunch of articles on this topic. Therefore, not wild. 
dandy72 wrote: And when someone can't be bothered to make any effort to support said claims, then to me that means there's nothing to support.
Space goes on and on. Do you need me to back that up?
dandy72 wrote: End of story?
Please.  
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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While my Microsoft rose-tinted glasses aren't quite so bright, I do agree with your point that once you get big... no matter what you do someone will complain. You sneeze, the anti-snot police come out. You don't, the pro-snot police show up. Can't always please everyone.
Jeremy Falcon
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I want a job cleaning mirrors instead!
That's something I could really see myself doing!
Sorry, I couldn't leave - somebloody urined on my coat!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
modified 22-Sep-16 10:25am.
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Or become a grave digger; you might end up with lots of people under you.
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You sir, have a grave sense of humor.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Coming up with puns like that is quite an undertaking!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Same for a porn star
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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As a bus driver you'll be always in front of anyone else and it is you who everyone will be waiting, not the other way around.
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How about a job as a scarecrow? You'd be outstanding in your field.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Go sit in the corner and reflect upon what you are doing.
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I've been doing that most of the day[^]!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Or become a sewer worker.
At least then you'll have a good reason for being up to your neck in s***.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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So I am still waiting to hear what is causing this issues.
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I don't know, maybe you could still be a programmer and find yourself a niche by becoming an expert on reflection...
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I bought some kitchen foil via Amazon: 2 rolls of 450mm x 90m @ £18.99 including VAT and delivery. It's the brand I like - thick enough to not rip like wet tissue but thin enough to not squash the food.
And it arrived today - in a huge box that was about 85% air and 15% product - with an invoice.
Fine. And the invoice has a web address, so I think "Great! I'll have a look - maybe remember them for next time and save a little more by going direct".
And it's priced up at £17.98 ex VAT (@20%) or delivery ... which is only free for orders over £70. So if I buy directly, it'll cost me around 30% for the privilege.
This isn't the only site that does this - I buy Sous Vide bag rolls from FleaBay because the price includes VAT and free delivery but is less than going direct to the company.
So the company gets less money and has to pay a cut to Amazon / FleaBay / Paypal on top?
Is it just me that thinks that's really stupid?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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