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So, the upgrade was mostly successful. Desktop icons got re-arranged and my start menu shortcuts were of course obliterated.
Various other oddities, like the Visual Studio shortcuts disappeared.
The most annoying issue is now trying to figure out why the RabbitMQ server doesn't start up.
Otherwise, so far so good.  And Windows Update is currently on. But no promises!
[edit]For some reason, the RabbitMQ service hadn't started. Manually starting it, and I'm back in business! Now to get my various shortcuts set up again.[/edit]
[edit2] During startup, it said various apps were being disabled/removed because they weren't compatible with W10. Those went by so fast I didn't have time to note them. Where the heck can I find out what it disabled/removed? Multimon seems to be one of them. I'll ask Google.[/edit2]
Marc
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modified 25-May-17 17:53pm.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Where the heck can I find out what it disabled/removed?
There may be an xml file in your desktop folder or on the root of C: that has that list. I remember seeing such a list popup on my system for W8.
#SupportHeForShe
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Hi Marc,
Marc Clifton wrote: The most annoying issue is now trying to figure out why the RabbitMQ server doesn't start up.
Third-party services sometimes fail to properly list their dependencies. If you know those dependencies you can add it to the registry manually as a REG_MULTI_SZ string:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Your_Service\DependOnService
If you do not know the dependencies then you can instruct the OS to load the service delayed... and hope for the best.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Your_Service\DelayedAutostart (DWORD set to 1)
Might be a good idea to ask the software developers for support.
Marc Clifton wrote: During startup, it said various apps were being disabled/removed because they weren't compatible with W10. Those went by so fast I didn't have time to note them. Where the heck can I find out what it disabled/removed?
Those are kept safe in the Windows.old folder. Look for C:\Windows.old\Program Files
Welcome to Windows 10... resistance is futile. 
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Just a comment about multimon:
Multimon should not be needed on W10...
By default it allows to have a taskbar on each display.
The only oddity is that when you press the windows key the menu appears always in the main display, not in the one you have the mouse / focus.
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Welcome to the 'League of Long Sufferers' Semi-Annual Jamboree 
I've found the 'WinTweaker freeware from Sergey Tkachenko's 'WinAero site very useful for defanging and partially domesticating the beast: [^].
I've hacked away on my own, and managed, I forget how, to make the Windows' Store' inaccessible, and now I can't run 'calc.exe because I'm using an admin account
'Edge is evicted, but, I still can't kill 'Cortana.
cheers, Bill
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Yesterday, my gf fiancee asked me, "do you think my friend actually sent me a link to this website?"
A website on losing weight.
A website that was in an email.
And the email was in her spam folder.
And she said "I found this email from my friend in my spam folder."
And when asked, "why are poking around in the spam folder?" she replied "I occasionally look there to see if something got put into spam."
This, from the woman who got hit by a ransom-ware virus last year. This, from the woman who went to a website that told her her PC was infected, call this number, etc., which she did, then she called me and asked if she should pay the $99. After the person on the other end of the line had already established a remote connection to her computer and asked her if there were other computers in the house on the network.
Maybe I should have bought her an abacus instead of a new laptop (as related to my previous post.)
Fortunately, recovering from the ransom-ware was a 30 minute process of re-installing Windows and restoring her various documents.
In any case, she got a very stern talk from me!
Again.
I think this is going to be a case-by-case conversation. 
Marc
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curiosity + cat = ?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Oi! I have a friend like that was working as a board tester at a large company. One of the boards he was testing had a major fault to the point where one of the power resistors on it was glowing and starting to burn the board. As you may have guessed the temptation was just too great, he had to touch it. He later exclaimed "I didn't think skin could pop like that!"
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Experience is a great teacher! 
Douglas Adams: Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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raddevus wrote: who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others
That's not quite as rare as he thought. Even an octopus can learn from watching another octopus.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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jeron1 wrote: As you may have guessed the temptation was just too great, he had to touch it
When I was a kid, I got parts for my old computer by desoldering them from any old circuit boards I could get my hands on. With time my fingers adapted and I could simply pull out parts that I was heating from the other side, but I had to be quick. Those parts were still far from glowing hot. I wanted to reuse them, after all.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: With time my fingers adapted and I could simply pull out parts that I was heating from the other side,
I too had that ability, but once we got techs with better eyesight and a steadier hands, they did most of that type of work and I lost that ability.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Sounds similar to a lesson I learned when learning glassblowing: "Hot Glass Looks Like Cold Glass"
Still hot enough to smoke your skin after the glow subsides.
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Marc Clifton wrote: After the person on the other end of the line had already established a remote connection to her computer and asked her if there were other computers in the house on the network
That's really scary
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Quote: I think this is going to be a case-by-case conversation
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Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Ah the benefits of marrying a Luddite who you can scare the crap out of with horror stories. She never follows a link unless she knows the source, only opens attachments she is expecting and we have not been his with any nasties (so far) thank Ghu!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Alternately, give yourself an admin account on the computer and reduce her access level to user without install privileges.
Or.. just get used to having a ready backup and doing reimages.
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N_tro_P wrote: Then just wait. Give her the look. Laugh. Kill the browser. Would have been much more funny.
Jokes like that usually backfire on me. The doghouse is small and cramped, and doesn't have air conditioning or heat.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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As I write this (on a separate laptop), I'm upgrading my trusty Windows 7 machine to W10. All so I can actually get off of IIS 7.5.
Wish me luck.
First thing after it installs, disable Windows Update. 
Second thing after it installs, is download and install Classic Start Menu.
On the other hand, I've been extremely pleased with the laptop I'm writing this on, a W10 Dell machine, granted, i5 processor, only 8GB RAM, but it has 128GB SSD, and it's been fast and reliable and Staples had a special on them for $460. In fact, I liked it so much, I bought one for my gf. I have to stop calling her that, as we are now affianced (having nothing to do with the fact that I bought her a new laptop!)
(The laptop I'm installing W10 on is my stay-at-home "desktop" with much better specs.)
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: First thing after it installs, disable Windows Update
Please don't. I'd prefer your PC not become a bot and attack my PC. 
Marc Clifton wrote: Second thing after it installs, is download and install Classic Start Menu.
Don't waste your time. With a few minutes of tweaking the W10 start menu is perfectly functional.
Keep in mind all of this comes from a guy who switched to Apple at home 10 years ago, happily uses Windows 7 at work and only recently switched to Windows 10 at home. I thought I'd hate it (or at least fight it). All things being said... I kind of like it.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Please don't. I'd prefer your PC not become a bot and attack my PC.
I don't mind doing the security updates, it's all the other crap that I don't want (speaking in ignorance from the probable fake news of all the bad things Windows Update will do.)
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: I don't mind doing the security updates, it's all the other crap that I don't want
Keep in mind that for Windows 10, everything's now bundled into so-called Cumulative Updates, so whether you want "all the other crap" or not, you'll get it.
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