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Isn't it a bigger "problem" that people don't care about the past?
Well, that is nothing new. Elders have been complaining about youngsters ignoring the old tales, the old knowledge, the old ways, for ages - probably since the dawn of day. We'll just have to accept that they will repeat our mistakes.
As a mature+ person, you essentially have two alternatives: Either turn into a grumpy old man (or woman), spending the rest of your life bitching about young people, or saying: To heck with it - it is their own responsibility to create their own world, just like we did ourselves when we were young.
I have chosen the second approach. For example: In my childhood, we had hours of Super8 movies from vacations and celebrations, we had albums with hundreds of photos, we knew lots of stories told about our ancestors. I tried to keep up that tradition, spending hundreds of hours creating memories, mostly as well edited video movies. But those involved give me a shrug: What would I need a video for? I was there, I remember how it was! Or: I can see the video at your place if you insist, but I don't need a copy of my own.
So I stopped editing videos about ten years ago. I stopped writing long letters to friends fifteen years ago: When a three page letter is answered by an 80 char text message to my mobile, I realize that I am wasting my time. I try to remember which stories I have told to whom: 'You told that last summer' is a typical remark, and I must explain 'I was telling this to Peter, not to you, and he hasn't heard it before!' before I am allowed to continue.
No more than two hundred years ago, for common man, most activities were not at all dependent on written records: You didn't learn farming, or hunting, or fishing, or knitting, or bread baking from a book. Your money was that in your pocket (or treasure chest), not a written down figure in a bank account.
Written-down records (as text, images or whatever) as The Basis for our culture is essentially a Western world 20th century artifact. Obviously, if it turns out not to be so for the 21st century, we will end up like any non-Western, non-20th-century culture. That will be different from today, of course, but maybe not that much different. I think that we already has proven that we can do well without all those old stories and memories, without everyone fluent in reading, but with the repeating of a lot of yesterday's mistakes and reinventing the wheel.
Grandparents will probably continue being sources of old stories for another generation. But it already is just entertainment, pastime - not in any way significant, important or necessary for young people.
Such is life, and it is getting sucher and sucher every year...
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Sounds like a load of cack to me.
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Actually it is cack. The cacao plant has a pretty wide distribution, [^] , it isnt even native to the Cote d'Ivoire, so the article is clearly just more alarmist global warming crap.
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At the moment much of the USA appears to experience the start of the next ice age! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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As usual - cherry pick the data for your absurd state of denial.
There Probably Won't Be A “Mini Ice Age” In 15 Years | IFLScience[^]
Considering that the researcher is a mathematician/Astronomer/Astrophysicist, perhaps you could have realized she's not considering the conditions on Earth at all. That, however, would interfere with your donkey-chasing-a-carrot view towards whatever agrees with your fancifulness version of reality.
You should also learn something about the differences between "THE THREE C's"
Coincidence
Correlation
Cause and Effect
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W∴ Balboos wrote: There Probably Won't Be A “Mini Ice Age” In 15 Years | IFLScience[^]
Gosh, you do google quick dont you! 
So you agree that the article I linked to was 80% media hype and 20% science? And thus you do agree with my criticism of it, and that your statement that I 'cherry picked' something was in hast and will now be retracted?
It does help to read and understand someones post before jumping in you know.
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Not having read the article, I feel it appropriate to point out that I live in the North East of England. A mini ice age would represent a warming event 
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Not having read the article, I feel it appropriate to point out that I live in the North East of England. A mini ice age would represent a warming event
Surely you're still getting around in shorts and a t-shirt. I heard they're all tough oop norf.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Has Anyone Seen Mike Hunt wrote: Surely you're still getting around in shorts and a t-shirt.
That's a given. Rumours that someone was wearing a coat turned out to be a southerner passing through on his way to Edinburgh.
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Cornelius Henning wrote: At the moment
... the sun is rising where i am.
clearly this means the sun is rising everywhere and will continue to rise forever.
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Did you miss the joke icon? 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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cacao has a wide distribution in its preferred latitudes. it doesn't grow outside of those latitudes.
and latitude is about more than min/max temperature range. it's more about sunlight: day length, variation in day length, seasonal daylight differences, etc.. and day length affects how much the temperature changes between day and night. plants are very sensitive to that stuff. so it's not like we could just move everything towards the poles, if the equator gets too hot.
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You know that CO2 warming is to impact the poles much more than the tropics, yes?
It is because they are so humid. Water vapour acts so strongly that additional CO2 wont add much, if any, warming. The poles have very dry air, they will warm more.
Tropical Land Temperature Anomalies[^]
Chris Losinger wrote: it's more about sunlight: day length, variation in day length, etc.. and day length affects how much the temperature changes between day and night, average temperature, how cold it gets at night.
Says you, the expert in plant biology....
Look, you are totally unqualified to make such a statement.
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Quote: Munchies_Matt wrote: You know that CO2 warming is to impact the poles much more than the tropics, yes?
and that has literally f***-all to do with the amount of sunlight different latitudes get.
Quote: Says you, the expert in plant biology....
it doesn't take an expert in plant biology to know that plants use the amount of sunlight to regulate their own seasonal growing cycles, and that you can't just plant any old tree in any latitude. that's like the first thing you'll figure out if you ever feel like planting something in your yard - how long is the growing season? when to plant? how much sunlight will this spot get?
even if the average temp was 80F in Greenland, plants that can't handle six months of darkness aren't going to grow there. and most plants won't grow at all unless there are 10 hours of sunlight per day.
The Effect of Shorter Daylength on Winter Production[^]
so, again, you can't just expect to move crops from latitude to latitude, chasing temps. some might be able to handle it but some won't.
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Chris Losinger wrote: and that has literally f***-all to do with the amount of sunlight different latitudes get.
In that case your post has, to use your terminology, literally f*** all to do with global warming. If your post was about sunlight. 
Chris Losinger wrote: plants use the amount of sunlight to regulate their own seasonal growing cycles
So this is an act initiated by the plants is it? A conscious choice, to use as much sun as they need in order to regulate their growing cycles, lest they grow too much or too little?
Or is this just you throwing some words together in an attempt to try to look clever?
But we aren't talking bout growing cacao in the arctic circle are we. We are talking about a plant, that currently inhabits a region from mexico to the amazon basin, being able to adapt to a small change in temperature (in fact a very small change, as demonstrated), by extending its range from many thousands of miles either side of the equator by another few hundred.
Are you really suggesting this isnt possible?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
In that case your post has, to use your terminology, literally f*** all to do with global warming.
it's about your idiotic misrepresentation of what the cacao growing issue is really about.
yes, it's grown in a lot of places - all tropical. if the temps in the tropics get too hot for cacao, we might not be able to grow it anywhere else because plant habitat is not simply about max temperature.
Munchies_Matt wrote: A conscious choice
ah, you're as dishonest as you are stupid.
duly noted!
moving on.
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Chris Losinger wrote: it's about your idiotic misrepresentation of what the cacao growing issue is really about.
So the article wasn't about global warming (driven by CO2 of course) and the ability of the cacao plant to adapt, or not, to that warming?
Care to provide a link to just what it was you WERE reading?
Chris Losinger wrote: we might not be able to grow it anywhere else because plant habitat is not simply about max temperature.
How about London? cacao plant growing in london - Google Search[^]
I have already given you data that shows the tropics arent warming anyway, now you have data that shows the plant already inhabits a vast range either side of the equator, and can even grown, exceptionally, in the UK.
Yes, 'might' is the operative word in your sentence.
What odds are you putting on your 'might' actually happening? (particularly given mankinds ability to husband crops).
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Keep a lookout for risks to the coffee crops - I shudder to think of the consequences were the worlds potable caffeine source be disrupted.
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They will probably grow it in Spain, like everything else: [^]
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I would have suggested California - but the re-purposing of cultivated land, there, will probably go to another popular crop.
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Does it have enough water? Thats the problem in CA, well, lets say it does, but not in the south. It is actually mismanaged, but then the US is in general. Why the Columbia river isnt tapped to feed the south is beyond me, a canal a few hundred miles long? The French built one in the 17th century!
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Let's go underground and grow it in a lab and sell it on the streets for a huge profit when that happens. You think cocaine is hot commodity... frak that... chocolate is where it's at. 
Jeremy Falcon
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