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I worked with VB.NET before I worked with C# and I kind of think that it does deserve a fair portion of the hate that it gets. On the rare occasions that I have to revisit it, I find it excruciating. There's something about "IIF" (eeeeeefffff?) in particular that makes me want to die.
And in any case, any language that is littered with the word "Dim" is fundamentally self descriptive.
Sander's charitable attitude towards VB is obviously rooted in nostalgia and can be forgiven but it boils down to a simple case of C# == good, VB = rank - there's no need for the jury to retire on this one.
And yes, it would be nice if people didn't get so damned opinionated about languages! 
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: There's something about "IIF" (eeeeeefffff?) in particular that makes me want to die.
I never used those VB things.
The Microsoft.VisualBasic namespace is off limits and Option Strict is on at project level.
So I guess you're right about VB.
Just make sure it's as much like C# as possible and you'll be fine 
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Sander Rossel wrote: VB.NET was my first programming language
Great, now I really feel old!
This[^] is where I started.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Great, now I really feel old!
Maybe it's more than a feeling 
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Sander Rossel wrote: VB.NET was my first programming language
I though one must come to age to get a CP membership...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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You're a good man, Mark. 
/ravi
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Thanks, Ravi!
Sincerely,
-Mark
mamiller@rhsnet.org
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After reading the other replies you made, it looks like you were in a bad mood of sorts? Anyhow, it probably will not be the last time you vent like that.
I have been warned many times in the last 11+ years here that I am acting like an a**hole, and need to stop. Recently I was threatened with a temporary ban after pooping all over the Soapbox. That was a wake up call.
Cheers. 
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Slacker007 wrote: looks like you were in a bad mood of sorts?
Very perceptive - didn't feel like a bad mood, but it was Monday morning after a wonderful weekend with family...
Slacker007 wrote: probably will not be the last time you vent like that
You are probably right about that! 
Sincerely,
-Mark
mamiller@rhsnet.org
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Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness.
Wasn't that originally attributed to John Wayne?
I'm reminded of an old "Home Improvement" episode where Tim is explaining to the guys how he and Jill have such a good marriage. He said every morning he wakes up, looks at Jill and says "Honey, I'm sorry." One of the guys asks "Why? What for?" Tim gives a few reasons, including "For having an adams apple, just for being a man."
I tried that on my wife and she just laughed.
Sincerely,
-Mark
mamiller@rhsnet.org
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John has been using that line sporadically here at the site for many, many years now.
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John Wayne was a Cpian ??
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Um, err, John Simmons IS John Wayne! I thought everyone knew that.
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I'm not John Wayne, but I kicked his ass a couple of times. Chuck Norris, too...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Actually, John Wayne said it in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Meh...I've seen worse, but its nice to see someone be self-aware for a change.
In fairness, the initial proposition was silly (and oft-repeated). Languages are simply tools. My current favorite is C#, but that changes easily, depending on the size of the paycheck
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Mark Miller wrote: in a manner that was blatantly mean and uncalled for
SO you behaved like 99.99999999% of the people already behaved once on the internet ? You do not need to apologize for being human.
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It didn't seem that bad to me...I've seen (and on occasion said) worse here. I saw 'TIOBE' in that post and lost interest immediately. That index has already been discussed here (by that same member) and the general consensus then is that it is rubbish. It really shouldn't have been brought up again, unless the goal was to get rep points.
It does piss me off to see members get evangelical about their programming language of Choice dismissing anything else as inferior. Programming languages are tools to get a job done...between VB as C#, it all boils down to MSIL anyway. I use both but actually prefer to avoid the semi-colons and braces. IMHO, that's a better argument than the fact that a language must be garbage because it still contains a construct (on error resume next) that good programmers know to avoid. Really, you can create crappy code in any language.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: Really, you can create crappy code in any language.
Completely agree. I've seen good and bad coding in many languages.
Sincerely,
-Mark
mamiller@rhsnet.org
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But most of the truly horrendous coding honestly happens in Hindi Visual Basic...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Ah you were caught feeding the troll as well. Most of us can't resist doing that 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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It looks like a genuine apology and I give you full credit. Contrition is rarely witnessed in this or other forums and your example is refreshing.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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