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codewitch honey crisis wrote: But I don't want to bother if everyone hates XML.
Aw, ffs, most people will not even know that it is being used. We're not religious, so we can't burn XML just because a few people don't know what it is for.
If you create entire databases in XML, you'll hate it, yes. If you use it as a communication-protocol, you'll hate it too. Use it as an exchange-format, and it will work perfectly.
I would store a tree in an in-memory SQLite3 database. Quick, efficient, and easy to write to a SQLite-db on disk and have the user send you their tree by mail, if you need it for debugging.
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I'm not even using the XML. It's just a feature i'm thinking of adding for end user devs that use my stuff.
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Consider yourself to be SQL Server; do you allow export in XML, or would you prefer not to because a few people "hate it"?
Programming isn't politics, technologies don't have to be popular.
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I do crap that's not popular all the freakin time. 
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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#realJSOP wrote: I do crap that's not popular all the freakin time.
Like asking who took your template-permissions? 
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in sql server the XML might actually be useful. from a parse tree, less so
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codewitch honey crisis wrote: in sql server the XML might actually be useful. from a parse tree, less so
That I don't know, but it doesn't change the point that you asked whether XML is still appropriate. I think it may be moreso than a CSV file 
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One time I built a mapper that allowed you to represent hierarchical data in tabular format, using the same technique used by MS SQLXML, including the column naming style and such. It was primarily used for accessing RDBMS systems using XML and XPath but you could use it on anything that can be tabular including CSV files and even HTML forms
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You'd think that after 27 years we would have agreed on a standard way to access the database. From SQL92 and ODBC to ADO and DAO to .NET providers and connections, we have this long list on standard ways, and you introduce yet another way that is built on existing standards.
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That's why standards are great - we have so many to choose from!
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codewitch honey crisis wrote: Do people still use XML?
Yes, at least I do (and the previous department where I was working too)
If it is worth your time to add and mantain... only you can answer the question
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Right tool for the right job, doesn't matter if others use it or not!
I do all my own stunts, but never intentionally!
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i personally don't need the feature. i'm designing an API. the feature is for others, so the question is, do you use XML to do the job these days?
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If you need to guarantee that your objects stay in order, use XML. JSON is subject to the engine that's parsing it, where XML is - well - XML.
The only thing I think most real programmers hate is any form of visual basic.
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#realJSOP wrote: The only thing I think most real programmers hate is any form of visual basic.
That sounds like a challenge .
Let's see.- Windows installer and writing install packages for it
- Writing Windows device drivers
- Writing Windows device driver installers
- Creating Windows install images when a new revision of the OS comes out
- The MSDN web site, which Microsoft redesigns to obscure the fact they're removing content so they don't have to support it
and that's just the crap I can think of associated with Microsoft and Windows. If I got started on software management in a hardware-centric company, two things would happen. One, I'd probably exceed Chris' message length limit, and two my ass would be terminated with extreme prejudice.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I use XML for lots of things but mostly where I need a desktop app to communicate with a web resource either to receive/send bulk data (usually via sql to xml) or little things like FTP credentials (encrypted of course) or program/file updates.
I've always found XML to be extremely easy to use.
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It's probably one of those cases where, unless you need to use XML, use JSON.
From your problem statement it seems that you need to use XML, so use it. Tough if everyone hates it.
Kevin
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Unfortunately, i can't readily use JSON because node order is significant, and JSON allows for reording of child nodes.
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XML is widely used. And, it's often a lot more convenient than JSON, since you can create a DTD that lets the parser do a lot of the grunt work for you. I use it all over the place. I only use JSON if it's already part of the protocol of a device I'm talking to or it's stuff related to talking to Javascript in a browser.
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I mostly use JSON these days for data interchange, but I hear you about typing. That being said, there's a spec for JSON schemas, and many engines already support validation using them.
I don't use them myself. In the real world, most JSON is machine generated, which means it doesn't necessarily need heavy validation unless its coming from somewhere external (to avoid possible exploits)
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For me lots of it is user configuration, or data from external devices or servers, none of which can be assumed to be even reasonably correct. And, ultimately, it all really probably should get good validation. If your program croaks because of an error in another program, that's not a good thing.
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that's what error handling is for. Validation just lets you throw sooner. A lot of times that's not even necessary.
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I would not use XML if there was serious volume involved, I've seen systems fail using xlm when attempting to transfer gb between systems.
As others have said use the correct tool for the job no matter whet the "popularity" you perceive is.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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There’s a way around the big-ass file problem, but it comes with restrictions. A few months ago, I wrote some code to load files that were as large as 8gb. It could probably go larger, but that’s the largest file I had.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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I design pretty much everything assuming my files are going to be 16GB
meaning i use streams and (when necessary) pull parsers.
I *always* chunk, absent the narrow case where it doesn't make sense to.
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