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Christian Graus wrote: And of course, winforms support in Core has been slow and is still crap.
As I understand it, that's using an out of process method and marshalling all of the winforms calls across process boundaries.
I expect they'll eventually make it fast, but I have no idea how they'll do it, given that limitation.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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It just doesn't work!!! The winforms designer doesn't work, I created a winforms app and it had no designer.
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honey the codewitch wrote: The reason is that this is when they supposedly are reunifying the frameworks
oh, like as they promised there will only be 1 version of windows 10?
... and not forgetting they did caveat the graphics capabilities included in .net releases will depend on the platform
As to vs2019, I installed around June last year - there's been 22 new versions between now and then (a tad over 6 months or nearly 4 new releases per month).
Waiting for a version of anything that itself will be outdated in a week is pointless, at least with [mostly] backward compatibility just jump in at any time, work on that.
Only once in a while [when got time] upgrade then - can actually get 5 days of work done (in a week) rather than loosing up to a whole day per week waiting for the upgrade then checking compatibility...
<< Signature redacted. - it's above your pay grade. >>
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Yeah, the number of updates is INSANE. And despite their claims, winforms in .NET Core is still not a thing
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Southmountain wrote: I want to upgrade my products this year
If you want to test Visual Studio 2019, Visual Studio code or WSL then download one of these virtual machines images:
Get a Windows 10 development environment[^]
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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this is great! I am downloading right now...
diligent hands rule....
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Southmountain wrote: this is great! I am downloading right now...
You are welcome.
It's also a great preview for anyone who wants to experience the privacy enhancements the Enterprise SKU enables for software developer environments.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Seeing people excited by their side projects makes me realise how old I am. A decade or so ago, I started a company, working 16 hour DAYS, seven days a week. Before that, I spent most of my spare time writing CP articles. After selling that company, me and the guy I started it with had about four other ideas we tried to start, so I was always coding in the evenings. That guy fired me 3 years ago because he was stupid, so we lost contact. The idea I'd had with him didn't progress because the friend I was working with dragged his heels and eventually the product appeared by another vendor locally.
Nowadays, I work about 9-10 hours a day, working from home, so about the same time commitment someone with a commute makes to an 8 hour day office job. I am working through a Typescript book at the moment, which basically means a chapter every Sunday. Apart from that, I'm happy to just lie in bed with my wife and watch crime shows. I still love coding, but I don't have the energy to do it every hour of the day any more.
modified 4-Jan-20 16:20pm.
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Christian Graus wrote: Apart from that, I'm happy to just lie in bed with my wife and watch crime shows. I still love coding, but I don't have the energy to do it every hour of the day any more.
I used to code every single spare minute. But yes.
Still love it, but priorities shift.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I'm still (after 35 years) using all my spare time to play with code, however the definition of spare time has changed at every turning points of my life... Nowadays planting vegetables in the garden with the kids gets precedence...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Yeah, I ran a veggie patch for a while. It was very relaxing. I am 50. I just grow fruit trees now. My kids are 23 and 18 so yeah, I try to get as much time with them as I can, too
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I go in spurts, some times days I get up chcek email and do something else and some days i spend many hours doing what I love to do. But it does get old!
Good to see you back it's been a while!
Did a little mechanic work today.
Put a rear end in a recliner!
JaxCoder.com
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Thanks, it's nice to be somewhere quiet.
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We're all getting old - but it's way better than the alternative!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Yes, I always say that!!!
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For me, it just means working on different stuff, i.e. less writing code, and more writing words (I'm arguably better at the latter, so I probably should have done it years ago).
And games. I'm finally catching up on trying out video games that I've wanted to find time for, over the years -- a huge advantage of that being that they're all either free or dirt cheap, now, so I've saved a fortune.
Still just sitting at the damned computer, though.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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LOL!!! I get sucked into arguing with morons over politics too often, but I try to just spend time with my wife. My son likes games but I rarely find time
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I used to have tons of little side-projects I would start working on the moment the "work day" was over, until I was ready for bedtime, and then weekends, but eventually I totally lost the motivation.
I certainly don't dislike coding these days - I'm looking towards retirement to complete a lot of these projects of mine. I have fun working on that stuff and could do it all day (if that's the only thing I was doing), but unfortunately none of my "coding for fun" ideas would ever evolve into something that pays the bills. So until I can afford to do it all day, I work for The Man.
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I don't expect to ever retire. Given I get paid to do my hobby, why would I stop?
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Well, my hobby turned into a job. This is a double-edged sword. I've burnt out, and have stopped coding as a hobby. But I do want to keep coding when I retire. Only, I'll be doing it for fun, not the money.
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I like money too much 
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A few years ago, I was thinking that when I retire, I might spend a considerable amount of time on filling in holes in Wikipedia in areas where I have some knowledge.
It is not going to happen. I still have about eight years left until retirement. For several years I have had this feeling that noone cares about an old man's experience and knowledge. Things are done differently nowadays. The world is different. People have different tastes, thoughts and opinions. What I can contribute has no significant value. So how will it be eight years from now?
I have come to realize that whatever I do won't benefit anyone, except possibly myself. The same goes for the coding I do in my spare time: The software will never get out of my personal PC. I write a few posts in CP and every now and then in two other specialized fora, but 95% of my writing is read by noone. Its only purpose is for me to clear up my own messy thoughts.
Let the world go its own way. Remember how (un)important you considered near-retirement people when you were young. Accept that today, you have become as unimportant as you were thinking then.
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Member 7989122 wrote: I have come to realize that whatever I do won't benefit anyone, except possibly myself. The same goes for the coding I do in my spare time: The software will never get out of my personal PC.
That's exactly why I work for The Man and can't live off of software I actually would like to work on...
Member 7989122 wrote: Remember how (un)important you considered near-retirement people when you were young. Accept that today, you have become as unimportant as you were thinking then.
Yeah, no. You can't generalize people's thinking process like this. Unlike the smartass know-it-alls I see everywhere (now and back then), I've always appreciated the value of near-retirement people (as you call them). My dad worked as a mechanic for 40+ years, and I call tell you this much: he used to fix cars. Today's younger mechanics just replace parts.
There are parallels in the software industry, but I really don't want to get into that right now...
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I don't think that is true. It's a western thing and it's bullshit. I loved meeting old people when I was young. There's young people who will listen to you today. And on Wikipedia, no one knows how old you are
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