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OriginalGriff3-Nov-20 1:51

OriginalGriff

3-Nov-20 1:51

Worse: we are a huge "orgy room" for them to breed in, as well as a food supply! Big Grin | :-D

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5teveH3-Nov-20 2:14

5teveH

3-Nov-20 2:14

It's not helped by the press - who as soon as any announcement is made, go out of their way to find someone who disagrees and put them on prime-time TV news endlessly. If they ask enough people, of course they can find some idiot who disagrees! Do I really need to know what some random 83-year-old woman thinks about lock-down?

Sadly, the news these days is delivered up by people who shouldn't even be working for a provincial newspaper. It's cheap, shoddy, blinkered 'journalism', more interested in pouring petrol on the flames than providing us with facts.

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter3-Nov-20 2:28

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

3-Nov-20 2:28

5teveH wrote:
providing us with facts.

You probably very old, if you still remember the days newspapers used to deliver facts...

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devenv.exe3-Nov-20 2:35

devenv.exe

3-Nov-20 2:35

5teveH wrote:
Sadly, the news these days is delivered up by people who shouldn't even be working for a provincial newspaper.

I don't live in the US but every time i have tuned in to watch CNN, they always have some BREAKING NEWS headline. I have always wondered how they manage to have breaking news at any time and usually, every day.

"Coming soon"

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter3-Nov-20 2:37

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

3-Nov-20 2:37

devenv.exe wrote:
at any time and usually, every day.

"If you want things done right do it yourself!"

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W∴ Balboos, GHB3-Nov-20 3:38

3-Nov-20 3:38

The reason they always have breaking news is that they're going for market share - and they need hype to keep it. The generation that lives their lives primarily through their hand-held devices need constant stimulation to pay attention.

The real problem with News is much bigger. The largest news market share in the USA is (frighteningly) FoxNews. The problem with that, more than anything else, is that they are not a news station at all, but constant opinion pieces. Most are too stupid to tell the two apart - and that goes for left-leaning stations, too, like MSNBC. One of the worst problems with opinion pieces is, since they aren't news then misleading or incorrect information need not be recanted/corrected/etc.

With the rapid pace of a world-wide dumbing-down movement, the term "Sheeple" will become obsolete as that will be overstating their analytical abilities.

"Breaking Story" "This Just In" . . .

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W∴ Balboos, GHB3-Nov-20 2:38

3-Nov-20 2:38

Well - it isn't some 83 year old that disagrees.

It's heaps of jackasses with guns surrounding the state capital and even planning to kidnap and assassinate a governor. And massive parties - hundred at a time - gathering together without a care in the world. Political "leaders" discouraging safe behavior and the followers dutifully obliging. Not just in the US - but even violent rioting in the EU (most notably, Italy - despite their previou deadly experience).

No real point to going on and on about all the places this has gone on and not in some exceptional circumstances.

Will publishing it cause them to stop. Actually no.

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Greg Utas3-Nov-20 2:26

3-Nov-20 2:26

When you have lots of small businesses being forced to close, it does infringe on their liberties. All mandated by people who have no skin in the game and will continue to get paid even if not working their jobettes. Typical one-size-fits-all policies imposed by control freaks.

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W∴ Balboos, GHB3-Nov-20 2:32

3-Nov-20 2:32

You, of course, have a better plan.

I suppose it's akin to "leave the businesses alone and people will do the right thing".

Sh*t, many, that wouldn't even happen in your dreams. Perhaps you prefer the Swedish methodology: do nothing and let nature take its ~~course~~ corpse.

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Greg Utas3-Nov-20 2:48

3-Nov-20 2:48

I'm not going to get dragged further into a political discussion with someone whose views are so facile as to stagger belief. Stop trolling with your unprovoked political posts.

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W∴ Balboos, GHB3-Nov-20 3:32

3-Nov-20 3:32

See here.[^] - this thread.

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Jörgen Andersson3-Nov-20 3:19

Jörgen Andersson

3-Nov-20 3:19

Do you even have a clue what the "Swedish methodology" is?
Outside of political propaganda that is?

Either read up or stop trolling!

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W∴ Balboos, GHB3-Nov-20 3:29

3-Nov-20 3:29

Depends upon who's news I watch.

So far as I can tell, from DW, for example, it was a primarily a laissez faire with the idea to get the spread/exposure over with as quickly as possible. Streets full of people behaving as if nothing was going on. Let the economy roll on, relatively undisturbed, would seem (in my opinion) the real motivation.

Compared to their Scandinavian neighbors, part of the idea was quite successful: COVID rates were much higher. I guess you measure this [^] as some sort of success story.

I won't even go into the horrific policy towards the elderly in care facilities.

Labeling me a troll - to dismiss a rather ugly truth to which I alluded - does not make me a troll and, much more importantly, doesn't let that Swedish plan off the hook for the disaster it is.*

* At least from the point of view of 'us trolls' that value human life. Even that of strangers and the elderly.

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Richard MacCutchan3-Nov-20 3:28

Richard MacCutchan

3-Nov-20 3:28

You have a better answer?

Greg Utas3-Nov-20 4:09

3-Nov-20 4:09

Define better. Whatever your definition is, it's likely to align with your political views.

Let's start with the fact that this isn't a single virus. It has different strains, and there are people who have caught it more than once. Recently I read an article either by, or citing, someone with experience with such things, and he said if a vaccine gets produced, it won't be a one-time shot. It'll be like a flu vaccine, taken yearly, maybe even twice yearly, and not always effective.

So given that this is likely to be with us indefinitely, are we going to have recurring lockdowns? That's not a viable solution given the misery that it's caused. Something like 500 lost jobs per COVID fatality, more people depressed, more domestic violence, more suicides, and more deaths from other causes because of not going to the doctor or hospital as early.

Letting people decide for themselves how to deal with it would at least lead to various approaches, whereas letting politicians and bureaucrats decide for everyone will produce a very narrow range of outcomes. If you're in a high-risk group, self-isolate. Most in this group are elderly, and recall what happened to a bunch of them in NY because of a politician. If you're running a business, maybe you let people work at home or even close for fear of getting sued. Or maybe you keep operating with some safeguards.

So I don't have to propose a better solution. The more approaches that are tried, the more we will learn, and we will discover what works best in various situations. That's what happens when people have freedom of choice.

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5teveH3-Nov-20 3:51

5teveH

3-Nov-20 3:51

I am happy to concede that there has been a significant amount of incompetence within Government, which has resulted in a 2nd wave. But there has also been a significant amount of stupidity on the part of the public which has made a big contribution.

I, (probably like most of you on this forum), don't have direct "skin in the game", but I'm not sure how that is relevant. Are you saying that, because politicians don't have "skin in the game", they are happy to see many thousands of businesses go to the wall and many millions lose their jobs? And that their motivation is a wish to infringe on civil liberties, because they are control freaks? Just asking!

Greg Utas3-Nov-20 4:23