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charlieg wrote: Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully.
Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested.
Laptops usually have a lower processing power than their equivalent desktops. And have gotten very used to having at least two screens (17"). Looking for a way to hook up a third, so I needn't remote desktop into the server anymore. So two PC's on my desk, two keyboards. And a lone 15" monitor that would make you laugh probably 
charlieg wrote: That said, times are changing.
True. Also haven't been in a computer-store for quite a while, and may need to save some money before I dare enter again - because all those new goodies..
charlieg wrote: One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer.
Currently only using it on the home-network, and the machines are hooked to the same router.
..a very old router; maybe time I upgrade that.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Size doesn't matter. 
(I can't believe I missed that opportunity, and apparently so did everyone else!)
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Marc Clifton wrote: (I can't believe I missed that opportunity, and apparently so did everyone else!)
Ehr..
You naive; it does.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Depends how you use it. If it's your primary machine (or a machine you use a lot) and screen size is critical then the biggest screen that you're able to carry.
For me, I've always used 13" but would grab a 14" if it was as small, or smaller, than the footprint of a current Macbook Pro . If I have to use the screen it's either being used as a secondary machine or I'm travelling between offices and 13" gets me through well enough.
However, for working, I always connect to a 27" external.
Everyone has their own answer. Whatever works best for you.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: However, for working, I always connect to a 27" external.
27 inch? I'm afraid to translate that to metric.
But almost 70 centimeter? I have a monthy python reference for that, and not going to repeat it.
--edit
Can't. Can't. Mustn't.
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcbCW4y9Dw[^] (not a rick roll, but worse, sorry)
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
modified 5-Feb-21 20:52pm.
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My PC's screen is 55" 
Real programmers use butterflies
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...and how are you enjoying that screendoor effect? 
Or is that 4K?
I have a 40" 4K TV as my primary display, and at its native resolution, text is smaller on it than it is on my 27" 1080p monitor. For the equivalent text size (without rescaling), 4K would have to be spread across 54". So presumably you're right at the sweet spot.
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I don't see well enough for it to impact me i guess. Either that or this TV is just good about it, or I've gotten so used to it I just don't notice.
It's only 1080p
Real programmers use butterflies
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140 cm?
Sounds nice for movies, but lines of code?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Works great for me. YMMV
Real programmers use butterflies
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Don't ask me why, but I had that exact sketch stuck in my head last week.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I like 15 inch because 17 won't fit in a backpack very easily.
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charlieg wrote: omg, the new version is gorgeous!
"OMG that [hammer|power drill|chainsaw|laptop] is gorgeous!"
Meh. A laptop is tool, not a fashion accessory. But then, I do realize there's apparently a market for those people, and companies catering to them are doing rather well.
Or were you drooling over the specs, like any good self-respecting geek should?
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high end AMD or Intel processor, starts at 32GB RAM, NVME ssd, 4k 17" 144hz display.... yeah, the specs are nice. What got my attention was the NVidia GPU option and the resolution of the screen... it's a tool, but I was more curious about opinions of the screen size.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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That is nice.
While (IMO) bigger is better, no doubt you'll still have to rescale everything, 'cuz with 4K across 17", nothing's gonna be readable at native resolution.
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Interestingly, my display, me and my optometrist are having an argument. I'm nearsighted - not badly so - but... I'm in the process of transitioning to progressives... it's ugly.
I've seen people walk up to my laptop and say "how can you see that?". For me, I need crisp text and width of source code. Currently, the laptop I has is 1920x1080 which is okay, but the external screen is 2560x1440. And is amazing at 25" not too big as compared to a 27"...
A 17" is larger than my 15.6 but what kills me is when some laptop maker gives you a 17" at 1024x768. I'll pay for the ultra high resolution and scale up the font size.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I prefer a lighter laptop for travel, so I have one with a 14" screen.
At home and at work, I connect it to multiple screens, so the laptop size is irrelevant. If you travel a lot and work on the plane, you may wish to consider a 14" laptop; anything larger doesn't fit onto the @#$% tables they provide in economy.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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truth. In my case, I rarely travel, thank you Jesus...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I read PDF's "2 pages up" ... seems 17.3 would be better (?) if you're into that.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I have a 17. Because it's a laptop, and when I do dev on it, I don't want to get a headache trying to focus on what looks like 8pt text.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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native resolution on that screen?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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It's a Dell, and it's 1920x1080, which is more than good enough for even my old eyes
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Because mine is minimally portable (pre-covid: daily from work to home, and once or twice a week to conference rooms) I'd probably go with the 17 because I'll be using the laptop screen in addition to my external displays; and bigger is better there. If I had to fly for work occasionally 15 for sure, and I'd be seriously looking at if I could find a 13" model with a 45W CPU and enough cooling not to throttle it under extended load.
Unless you work from home and never travel, your work environment is entirely remote VMs and cloud native apps reducing your computer to a dumb terminal, or have lengthy build times (10 vs 30s isn't worth the pain, 5 vs 15m would be) I'd recommend against a desktop as a primary machine because of the overhead in keeping two environments running and problems with not having all files synced between them.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Tweaking the informal survey a bit. For anyone who cares or has excess giggles and grins... this is in regards to a "development" laptop - something with enough screen real-estate to allow you to code.
Screen size and resolution? 15.6" and up.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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