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Made my day!!! Thanks marcdev.
Farhan Noor Qureshi
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you looser. what kind of a f*** wit are you thinking you where taken by a ufo grow the f*** up!!!!!!!!!! 
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13BOB12 wrote:
you looser
you might be the one i think...
why do you react this way ? are you an alien ? or just xenophob ?? 
it's not a reason to insult an honnest (i believe) programmer as marcdev is just because he has more humor than you... 
TOXCCT >>> GEII power
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toxcct wrote:
... an honnest (i believe) programmer
I try !!!
Some people don't have sense of humor even after reading some comments on this survey.
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... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
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marcdev wrote:
toxcct wrote:
... an honnest (i believe) programmer
maybe that was a joke too 
we are here on CP to help each other, not to fight, and disapointly, some don't understand what's been written down
<- to you... salutations to ET :->
TOXCCT >>> GEII power
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toxcct wrote:
maybe that was a joke too
... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
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??  Have you been abducted recently??? Sure, you seem resetnful with them.
... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
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Believing Allah and his Messanger Muhammed (P.B.U.H)
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Yes u are definetly Right
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I respect your beliefs, but... Islam makes you a good programmer? Come on...
By the way, Islamic clerics recommend against P.B.U.H.; instead it should be Salla Allahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam (abbreviated as S.A.W.) instead of P.B.U.H because P.B.U.H. isn't a complete translation.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit.
I'm currently blogging about: Homosexuality in Christianity
Judah Himango
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Judah Himango wrote:
Salla Allahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam
... which means ???
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It means peace, joy, happiness, complete rest, etc. on him. It's similar to the Hebrew 'shalom', which is as translated peace, yet means much more than peace. There isn't a correlating word in the English language for either word. Thus, Islamic clerics recomment against using P.B.U.H. ("peace be upon him") since it isn't a full translation. See this page[^] for more info.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit.
I'm currently blogging about: Homosexuality in Christianity
Judah Himango
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Following Guidelines of Quraan and Sunnah
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Following Quraan and Hadees.
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It seems to me that three glaring omissions have been left out of the response list:
Service/Technical
Combination
None of the Above
Personally I was orgianlly a field service technician and taight myself to program. I later went back to school for some formal education.
I truth what makes the best programmer depends on the field for which the software will be created. Naturally Science/Physics is best for extremely techinical fields (i.e. aeronautics/avionics). But Business/Accounitng is often better for Insurance/Financial markets. And most commercial applications would benefit by having a few developers involved with Tech. Support backgrounds. A combination is probably best for programming in general.
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I agree. Especially the about combination.
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Personally, I think this question is poor. Especially for a survey. Everyone will tend to be biased toward their own background, and I consequently believe that the results would very closely match a survey that asked the same people what their own major was.
Another reason I believe the question is poor is because there are too many factors that play into what makes a good programmer. There are also too many fields to specialize in. I would not expect a hacker to be good at programming a Matlab-type application. I would not expect a mathemetician to be natural at designing Web-UIs. Experience plays a role too. I would rather hire someone who taught themselves to program early in life, than someone who is a math/science major.
However, I do think that a mathematics / science background certainly helps programmers think critically and methodically about problems -- especially at the lower-level languages (asm, C, C++, Fortran). With the advances of higher level languages, it is becoming easier for non-math/science majors to program effectively. Of course, this is just a rule of thumb; I have seen many counter-examples -- not all mathemeticians/scientists can program, and many non-mathematicians/scientists can program very well.
I taught myself to program starting with Basic on a TI 99-4A in 1st grade, then many different languages, and concluding with C++ in high school. But when I went to college, I got a BS in physics and also went to grad school for physics. I didn't take a single class in programming while in college, but the skills of critical thinking, problem solving, and the scientific method have helped me become a much better programmer.
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I don't think so, I started my programming career from electronics engineering and I believe is not the best way to became a great programmer.
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What statement do you disagree with? I made a lot of them, including:
* The survey question is poor
* Math / Science background helps (especially with C/C++/technical programming), but alone does not a good programmer make
* The interest someone shows by teaching themselves is also helpful
* Different programming focii will benefit from different backgrounds
And out of curiosity, what language(s) do you program in? And what type of product do you work on?
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Personally, I believe the mathmatics mastery helps in any situation not just lower level language based programming. The development of complex but efficient algorithms is not as of yet automatic, thus, regardless of the current palette of options I believe a person whom thinks mathmatically will excel in any of them
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Yes, I agree. I said that math / science *especially* helps out in the low-level languages and technical programs. I just think that people who don't deal with low-level languages or technical programs can get by more often without knowing math / science than in the low-level / technical arena.
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Any question that can stir up debate and get excellent responses such as yours is a good question in my book 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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LOL. Ok. Point taken. The survey question is good for sparking a debate. But, I don't think it would be a good question for a scientific study -- i.e. I still think the multiple choice histogram is skewed. 
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Right. I've always thought on CP surveys as a good way to know people skills and opinions starting at some point and not a scientific source to retrieve statistics and universal affirmations.
... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
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CP surveys are not scientific surveys, but many of them can provide useful information. For instance, a poll about how people generate documentation could provide useful information about what documentation tools people should develop moving forward. But, aside from interesting discussion, I don't see the value in this question. (And, as I already mentioned, I think the results of this survery are particularly skewed.)
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