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Bill,
I can understand your frustration. I hope you don't get this bad, but I think it is time to let this thread go. Note: I don't mean the point raised in the thread, I mostly agree with you.
But, to be honest, I think you are not going to get anything else than increase your frustration or have a not so productive discussion. My advice... have a tee or a walk, calm down and have a while in the lounge to relax. It is not worth to get mad. [Joke] Besides, you need to keep an eye on your blood pressure. At your age... you know [/Joke]
M.D.V.
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I appreciate the ("blessed are the peacemakers") "spirit" of your remarks, but let me assure you that my blood pressure has been, and is, fine
While it is not "pleasant" to have said what I have said on this thread, what I have said has been said "dispassionately" ... whether you believe that, or not: well, I have no choice there, do I ?
Never once have I imagined that anyone on this thread, or anyone on CP, is other than a deeply spiritual human being: to object to behaviorr is not to imply "condemning" the total character of a person.
Conflict is not necessarily unhealthy, if the wounds are not mortal.
cheers, Bill
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necessary to make a feature happen. They all cost huge amounts of time, effort and money.» Eric Lippert, Microsoft, 2009
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Hi,
I agree with you that the question was quite poor.
On the other hand, I can fully understand the frustration of Bill, investing time to see how it gets vanished.
This thema has been discussed a several times. I was one reporting such questions as "not a question" or "unclear/incomplete" as well. But opinions (like Pete O'Hanlon's in this thread and OriginalGriff and other people I respect in other converstations about the same point) got me thinking and changed my mind about how I report things.
I agree with your opinion about the "just code solutions" without a tiny debate or some thoughts to the enquirer, but I do respect the efforts and the time invested by other members.
That's why I give a time period before doing anything when I see such a question.
If people ask or comment and the enquirer gives answers, then I edit the question adding that additional information and tell him how to improve the quality for the next time. If no answer from OP in some days... then I clean up. One thing is new people that doesn't know how to do it "best", other are lazy people, and the one I don't like are the second. But the only way to distinguish between a newbie and a "not deserving help" user is patience and see what happens in the thread. Then decide. But... if there are other people already giving solutions, and the solutions are worth then I do not report the question although I would like it. Maximum I give a 1 and leave a comment.
M.D.V.
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Good advises - thank you...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Bill,
When you submitted your answer what happened? Did the system simply refuse to attach the answer to the question? Was there an error message?
The system should allow you to answer, but if the question is closed then your answer would appear closed too. However, you should have the power to simply re-open the question and undo the aggravation.
Seems your frustration should be with us and our code, not necessarily the community.
Also, on a broader note: I'm not a fan of answering questions that show little or no effort in the asking. "Little or no" is subjective, true, but the lower the quality of the questions, the less motivation there is for the general population of good devs to answer. This, more than anything, affects the community as a whole.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I am, however, a fan of guiding new members to improving their questions and making them valuable members of the site.
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Sometimes, though the "low quality of the question" comes because the asker is clearly not a native English speaker and can barely make what they do say understood, let alone ask a fully-formed and coherent query. And, it seems, that other non-native-English speaking members are then nuking the apparently errant question. Most likely because their translation skills are lacking themselves. Going forward, it might be good to ask these members to refrain from voting on such questions and instead leave a question asking for clarification.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: And, it seems, that other non-native-English speaking members are then nuking the apparently errant question. I have not observed this, but I admit I have not made any systematic study of "what gets nuked," either.
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necessary to make a feature happen. They all cost huge amounts of time, effort and money.» Eric Lippert, Microsoft, 2009
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Well, neither have I made such a study, but going by the English deficiencies of Kornfeld and other members like him, it's not hard to come to such a (maybe invalid) conclusion.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Chris Maunder wrote: When you submitted your answer what happened? Did the system simply refuse to attach the answer to the question? Was there an error message? Hi Chris,
The question was "open" when I submitted my first comment to the OP, open when I wrote the first version of my "solution," open when I heard back from the OP re the first solution, open when I wrote the revision of my solution. There was no error.Chris Maunder wrote: I'm not a fan of answering questions that show little or no effort in the asking I'm not disposed to answer most such questions, either, but, I make an exception for first-time posters on CP, and, sometimes, if a solution has been posted and I think the same result could be achieved in another way ... that might be valuable for other people to know ... I do respond with code.Chris Maunder wrote: Seems your frustration should be with us and our code, not necessarily the community. Well, I do think QA is in need of structural reform, and I have made several specific proposals on this forum over the last few years, however, in this case, I think the issue is member behavior, not CP structure.
thanks, Bill
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necessary to make a feature happen. They all cost huge amounts of time, effort and money.» Eric Lippert, Microsoft, 2009
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Chris Maunder wrote: The system should allow you to answer, but if the question is closed then your answer would appear closed too. However, you should have the power to simply re-open the question and undo the aggravation.
I think there is something different in reality.
When you answer in QA and the question gets closed, the answers don't get closed, they vanish.
I mean: Question is closed or deleted, but I usually can read it (only when you or someone with big hammer I can't find the post anymore). The answers... are always gone.
M.D.V.
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Hi Nelek,
Like you, I have not observed any way I could re-open a question.
cheers, Bill
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necessary to make a feature happen. They all cost huge amounts of time, effort and money.» Eric Lippert, Microsoft, 2009
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I didn't say that.
If the question got closed by the reports, then I think you can re-open it with "improve question", making a minor change and posting again (never tried it though).
What I meant is that if a question gets closed, the answers are not shown. But I am not sure if after re-opening it, they will be there. Maybe it is worth the test. Next time it happens tell me and I will check it out.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Hi Nelek,
If you have never tried re-opening a question, and you are not sure what happens with the answers if you were able to re-open one, then I think the statement "Like you, I have not observed any way I could re-open a question." is a fair inference from your words, but the lack of quotation marks should indicate that I am not claiming you actually wrote those words
I'm going to ask the CP staff what happens if one clicks improve question on a closed question.
cheers, Bill
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necessary to make a feature happen. They all cost huge amounts of time, effort and money.» Eric Lippert, Microsoft, 2009
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Reputation History is a great Navigator Instrument! Thank you for this.
Bruno
....It is time, also to mention the good things in CP!
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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I should be able to search by article number in codeproject.
When I found a good article, I should be able to make a note of the web page by just writing down the article number and later search for that number.
Thanks
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Here's a secret: Just go to www.codeproject.com/articles/article-id/show-me and you'll get to any article. (Replace article-id by the article's ID)
cheers
Chris Maunder
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You can also bookmark an article by clicking the star near the top of the article's page.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Those help lines in the forums, that makes it possible to see which post is the parent of the post you're currently watching, is indeed very helpful.
But when a thread spans over several pages they don't work any more.
So I'd like to have a button that redirects you to the parent post so that I can see the post someone is responding to. Preferably a simple link like the permalink so that you can open it in a new window.
But only if it's easy to implement, I would still prefer this[^] solution that you have as an open item.
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I second this.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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That only shows one page, limited to the number of messages per page you have set, regardless of how many messages there are in the thread.
<edit>Now it shows more than one page. But the problem as I described it in the first post remains as I still can't see the parent of a post on an earlier page.</edit>
modified 23-Jan-15 16:50pm.
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I'll see what I can do.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Nice solution. Good job
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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